Comment on How to secure your phone before attending a protest

sbv@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Its a balancing act. You shouldn’t be recording tiktoks and doing the carlton.

  But there is a lot of value in organizers being able to communicate. If you see a fat white kid with an assault rifle, you let people know. Same with when the paddy wagons roll in.

  And there is a LOT of value in being able to make it clear to the cops that you are recording before they decide to “teach some people a lesson”.

  I chat about this with my activist buddies a lot. And one thing we are increasingly realizing is that there is a LOT of value in convincing even a mid-tier IRL streamer to come out. Yeah, they are fucking obnoxious when they are trying to yell to chat. But it is someone who is high enough profile that they won’t immediately have their gear destroyed AND privileged enough that they won’t even realize that is an option until it is too late. At which point the decision as to how to handle the escalation is already happening.

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  • gnome@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Hmm if it’s a smartphone, their location can still be tracked even if they’re not recording videos for social media. I’ve never attended a protest, but one of my younger siblings has. I agree with the author here: don’t take a smartphone with you. If you need to go to a protest, and it’s a charged topic (i.e. people have been fired or detained for it), take a dumb phone and make calls once you’re considerably away from the protest’s meeting site. Or, buy a burner phone for use only at the meeting site. If video footage is that big of a deal, take an old-fashioned video camera to record.

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    • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What is this “vid-eo chimera” you speak of? Some ancient technology from the Mayans? /j

      But seriously, unless there’s some reason to stream live, old tricks are sometimes still the best tricks.

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      • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        But seriously, unless there’s some reason to stream live, old tricks are sometimes still the best tricks.

        Cops who know they are being recorded MIGHT behave slightly better. It is why they are so hellbent on never wearing bodycams ever again.

        An SD card on the person of someone being thrown in the back of a van to have an “accident” on the way to booking? Not so useful.

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      • gnome@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        What is this “vid-eo chimera” you speak of? Some ancient technology from the Mayans? /j

        I’ve aged myself, haven’t I? lol

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  • sbv@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The guide seems to be aimed at attendees, rather than organizers and media. If someone is showing up to add their voice to the protest, then leaving their phone at home is an ideal way to minimize their footprint.

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You shouldn’t be recording tiktoks and doing the carlton.

    Then why even GO to a protest??? To stand up for our freedoms? Pssshhhh!!!

    does the carlton

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  • 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Just an aside that Paddy wagons is pretty racist.

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s so old-school racist it doesn’t count anymore, like Irish_Americans give a shit in 2025. You’re diluting the word, making it worth less.

      This is what people mean when they say, “You can’t say anything anymore!” They’re not mad they can’t say n*****, they’re mad because of silly shit like this. If everything is racist, language becomes a minefield, impossible to keep up with and navigate.

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    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Every sourcing I have seen comes more from the UK as a way to shorten patrol and the argument that it is an ethnic slur against Irish people is similar to “cracker” in that… can you REALLY be that racist against the oppressors?

      But tweaked anyway. Thanks.

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      • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Irish people were actually considered “non-white” throughout most of the history of race as a concept. They were only recently recategorized by racists when they felt their numbers dwindling and decided to expand the tent a little.

        Irish people have suffered from a history of explicitly racist oppression; calling them “the oppressors” flies directly in the face of history. Their skin colour may be white, but the history of their relationship with race as a power structure is far more complex.

        This does not mean that it’s impossible for Irish people to be racist themselves, or for Irish people to embrace “white” as an identity. Race is complicated; that’s exactly why trying to adopt simplistic attitudes to it never works.

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah racism doesn’t apply to whypepo

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• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If you aren’t communicating that a protest happened, then it didn’t happen.

  It’s quite literally the entire point.

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• stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “But how will I livestream my protest against Elon on X with out my phone?”

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• ryan213@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Of course! It’s so obvious!

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• refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Ideally also leave your car at home and take public transit while paying with cash or walking. CCTV and facial recognition are still issues, but you would be reducing your fingerprint a ton.

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