The US is literally in control of fascist now, it’s not nearly as bad in Germany, not that it’s good but there is a big difference
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mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 days agoGermany just had a sweeping far right election, and Argentina has had a libertarian at the helms for a bit now. A ton of south Asian countries have had hardcore conservative views for a while now, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Canada shifts right next election. There are basically few corners of the earth where populism/right wing ideology isn’t growing and expanding. This isn’t an American education system problem, it’s world wide. The political elites in your country just have you convinced that it’s America that’s now the problem, which then creates a new wave of populism in your country. It’s a self eating snake.
Not that I’m disagreeing that our slapping of allies isn’t problematic. This is just something that is clearly growing everywhere and the people of Lemmy love saying “America bad” as the same exact shit is happening in your country. If you’re an American expand your news beyond our shores. The grass is unfortunately turning to shit everywhere. We’re in for a rough decade together.
Mannimarco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 days ago
If we’re saying things are “not that it’s good” then it sounds like there is a rightward shift. Which was my point. America isn’t alone in this trend. To act like it is due to some lack of education was the original OPs point and I simply disagree with that based on the current trends of countries around the world.
Mannimarco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
I mean that is a fair point, but AfD got 20% of the vote and are likely not getting in the coalition, proportional representation and all that
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Thanks, I’m hopeful for Germany that they can keep the AfD at bay. I’m hopeful that Americas former allies make enough of a turn on us that the people here realize we messed up and I’m hopeful if we return to decency here that we didn’t burn up all of our credibility. A lot of Americans aren’t Trump supporters, but certainly there is a decent amount that is and it disgusts me.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Let’s be clear here, the right extremist party got over 20% which is really bad for sure, but the mid-right party rules out working with them in a coalition no matter what. That’s rather different from where the rest of the republicans and many democrats fall over themselves to do whatever the lunatic fringe says. Further, the American billionaires are strong influencers of these trends in other countries. The core of the disease is the USA even when there are symptoms everywhere.
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The mid-right said they wouldn’t work with them, but as we have seen that means absolutely nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if the SDP broke that and started working with AfD. Maybe it’s just me being cynical.
I’m not going to disagree that our power projection from the US isn’t a power boost to other right wing governments. I just think that to claim this is solely a result of poor US education when we can see this happening elsewhere in so called better educated countries means it isn’t really the predictor they’re claiming it to be.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
The mid-right said they wouldn’t work with them, but as we have seen that means absolutely nothing. I wouldn’t be surprised if the
SDPCDU broke that and started working with AfD.I’m also very worried about that, but it’s another point of difference - there were historically enormous protests (tens to hundreds of thousands per city, well over a million total, more than a percent of Germany’s total population) several times recently because CDU looked like it was slightly cooperating with them with an informal and unbinding agreement about immigration. These protests had the support of the churches, the sports leagues. Various senior government figures support outright banning the AfD. It would not be as easy for them as in the USA, where everyone immediately capitulates.
kaosof@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The Swedish mid-right also ruled out working with the far-right. Until they had to to gain government control.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
I agree it’s a huge concern and I also absolutely don’t trust the CDU, and especially Merz, as far as I can throw them. However I’m just saying that the situation is not identical to the USA, there are some points of difference.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Didn’t the German election end well? AfD isn’t in charge, and the winner is pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia, and pro-EU independence of the US.
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 days ago
AfD walked away in second, but jumped by nearly 9% over the last federal election. That’s a huge gain in momentum.
anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
It depends on the coalition that gets formed, does the conservative party go with the center left party for 4 years of stagnation or break their word and work with the fat right.
They have done the later already on emigration, passing a non-binding resolution (with only one conservative vote against) and narrowly losing on the second round because their own members of parlament didn’t show up to vote.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Argentina has had a libertarian at the helms for a bit now.
milei is not a libertarian, he’s a generic hard right conservative.
BakerBagel@midwest.social 5 days ago
You mean a libertarian? Yeah we know
rockerface@lemm.ee 5 days ago
If you mean US flavor “libertarian”, you’re going to need to specify that
JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Idk what else you would mean by libertarian. The original (marxist) meaning is long gone and all the right-wing larpers are just as bad as Milei if not worse. There exists no libertarian who isn’t just an authoritarian fascist.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 5 days ago
No, libertarians are on the right, assholes etc but we need to be fair to them to expose milei’s lies.
He’s anti abortion and is not going to be introducing any new freedoms to Argentina. The libertarians claim they are pro abortions, drugs and anything else… For a price. And anything…
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
The cope is strong with this one. “There’s other people being dumb too!”
Yup, and the source of this is disinformation from adversaries like Russia, China, and Iran being laundered through US social media companies to made to appear legitimate. Well I guess TikTok isn’t American (yet) so I guess China somehow got into the game of laundering disinformation too.
And the trend is actually incumbents losing power, not necessarily a right wing shift. You see the disinformation can be a blunt tool so it just results in people hating their own governments. The UK had an election where the Conservative party lost… as they were the incumbent.
But nowhere has the government been turned over to greedy businessmen to the degree the US has been. Argentina has their President briefly promoting a memecoin, sure, but he may face a lot of repercussions for doing that. Fun Fact: the Argentinian memecoin was launched by the same people that launched $MELANIA, and no one in the US cares about it nor do they care about the $TRUMP memecoin. It’s open season for grifting Americans, because it’s the gritters that are now in charge of everything in the US.
But go on making excuses for why it’s all ok. I’m sure that will result in fixing the problems in your country.
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The incumbents are losing to whom? Certainly not their own parties. You bring up the UK which is an outlier of recent events, but was a predicator of the future with Brexit during their right wing shift. Brazil could be another, but Bolsanaro is still an active threat as are his supporters.
But sure, just say “cope” and it automatically makes my comment wrong and yours right!
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
What word describes what you’re doing better than cope? You’re coping with the embarrassment of what your country’s becoming. Which would be fine, but trying to make it be about other countries rather than facing up to it, that just makes you part of the embarrassing state your country is in.
And yeah incumbents losing is a well known thing… here’s a link to the first article on the results from a simple search: abcnews.go.com/538/…/story?id=115972068
Also here in Canada, the Conservative poll numbers are dropping like a rock. The Conservative are now running a ridiculous number of adds to try to claim Carney is the same as Trudeau because they got nothing other than the incumbent disadvantage that’s become the global norm. The US idiocy is serving as a cautionary tale and making people turn away from anything resemblance of it.
FanBlade@lemmynsfw.com 5 days ago
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TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 days ago
I don’t get your point here… Russia China Iran are behind this mess and incumbents are losing elections (to…?), but it’s only the US that’s bad right now? And it’s the US fault? And USiams are coping for being worried about other countries?
Is that your point? Because that really doesn’t make any sense.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Last I saw (as in, a few mins ago), all the major players were refusing to talk to AfD.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Although you have to admit, it is near impossible to get such a perfect dream team of scammers elsewhere.
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Oh 100%. I’m not ignorant to our complete takeover by morons and the allowing of it that people have here in the states. I’m just saying we’re not the only ones. Especially since it’s happening in countries with “better education” than us. Which means Americas crappy education system isn’t the real problem like the original comment was saying
umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
capitalism is the common denominator here.
fascism is capitalism in crisis.
LotrOrc@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The centre right in Germany won, the afd came in second
The CDU has also made it very clear they’re not going to work with the AfD
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Fluke@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Living in the twenties.
serenissi@lemmy.world 5 days ago
you can’t say 20% a ‘sweeping’. The situation is worse at other places. And thanks to true multi party democracy, AfD probably won’t be in government anyway.
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I hope so for Germanys sake. A 9% increase from the last election, for a party that’s 12 years old… that’s pretty sweeping to me. Not to mention that it’s more so the southern parts of Germany that have an even stronger percentage of AfD support.
Again, I’m not wanting a right shift for these countries, but it’s become clear that things are. We could stick our head in the dirt and say it’s only America, but that wouldn’t be true, and that’s what I was getting at with my comment.
serenissi@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Party is new, ideology is old.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
At the height of its power, the Nazi party made up less than that percentage of the population of Germany. It doesn’t take much to ruin it for everyone.
Case in point: US President Donald Trump, whose approval rating has historically hovered around 30%.
Those of us with front row seats to the shitshow hope you’re right, because even just last week, my dad was saying, “It could never happen here!” when I brought up how the playbook Trump is using is the exact same one that Hitler used.
psud@aussie.zone 13 hours ago
The US has an inefficient electoral system for president. It’s not uncommon that low approval people win
Those of us who have better systems things go better.