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• Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Really? Maybe true for things like Nestlé but I don’t use any of these services directly and it hasn’t been difficult.

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  • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Chances are you‘re using AWS by Amazon daily and likely use an Apple or Google phone too. I personally don‘t think Paypal is worse than those. It‘s sheer impossible to escape them without ditching the Internet altogether.

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Yes. But was talking about PayPal brands specifically. Let’s not forget musk’s involvement with the early days of PayPal. That’s always been a turn off for me too.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      AWS

      You can choose a different service for your own hosting needs.

      The same is true of PayPal. I’ve been banned for years (not sure why, maybe my account was compromised?), and it’s never been an issue, I just pick a different payment method. I use Venmo occasionally, but Zelle also works for most uses, or I can bring cash or a check.

      I don’t think I’ve ever been in a situation where I only have a single payment option.

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      • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        But you can’t pick what others use for hosting, and the majority of big corps use AWS. At least that’s the nudge that I think they were getting at.

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      • QualifiedKitten@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Isn’t Venmo owned by PayPal?

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  • tja@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Nestlé is easy. I didn’t know the last time I bought something from them.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I don’t know

      Exactly.

      Nestle owns…

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      • HK65@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        They own the city of Toronto? Explains much I guess

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      • tja@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        And they print Nestlé on most, if not all, packaging. So it’s easy to see. Most of the brands I haven’t even heard of, probably because I just don’t buy that much processed food.

        So yes, avoiding Nestlé is easy if you are paying just a little bit of attention while shopping groceries.

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      • ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I have none of these in my house, many by conscious choice. It has made no difference in my life. I challenge everyone to do the same. It’s really not THAT hard.

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      • tja@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I was indeed afraid about Ovaltine, which I like and have in my house right now. But it turns out it is only owned by Nestle in the US and by another company in the EU. So I’m still good and still successfully avoiding Nestlé :)

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      • viking@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Didn’t actually know about Aqua Panna, that’s the only one I occasionally consume when going to a fancy Italian place where this is the default when ordering still water.

        I’d say a good 90% of the rest is completely unknown to me. All the rest that I do know seems to be overprocessed junk food that’s easily avoided by buying fresh ingredients exclusively.

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    • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      To the point of this post, do you know just how many subsidiary brands nestle operates? Likely true that you didn’t know the last time, but very likely you have patronized them.

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You don’t buy any soda or water?

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      • FlowVoid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I do, but they don’t own Coke.

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• brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Disagree, haven’t touched Paypal or anything related to Paypal in years without issue.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Eh, I don’t even care who owns PayPal, I avoid it because it’s annoying. Zelle is less annoying because it’s through my bank, but I honestly just want regular ACH.

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• FlowVoid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I can easily avoid every company owned by PayPal.

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  • ohshit604@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I wish I could say the same, I use PayPal very frequently because my credit union doesn’t support debit-visa. With PayPal I can make payments with my bank online rather than use my cc.

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    • brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Ah that’s interesting, all the banks around me stopped issuing ATM cards and only issue debit cards nowadays. I wish I wasn’t required to have a debit card with those banks - I purposely tell my banks to disable debit/POS features on the debit card so it is only functional at ATMs.

      All that aside you should consider getting a credit card or a prepaid credit card for those types of transactions. It’s safer to separate your bank account from your day-to-day payments/shopping, not great when someone gets access to your debit card which then gives them direct access to your bank account balance. At least with a credit card those situations are just a dispute that never affect your actual money in the bank.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    And use what? Mastercard? Visa? Your local bank institute?
    All are deep into shit of gambling our money (financial speculation) for profit.

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    • FlowVoid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I don’t care if companies speculate or if they make a profit.

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      • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Well…I don’t see any interests arriving on my end. At best maybe 0.25%
        Meanwhile 2nd yacht or whatever.

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        And if I don’t like Visa or MasterCard, I can use Discover or American Express. In fact, I don’t like MasterCard (got caught sharing data with Google), so I switched to other cards (probably just as bad, but it’s about sending a message).

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• RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I work in a servo/convenience store and about 3/4 of our drink fridges (all 10 or so doors worth) are the same 4 brands. Probably most of the store is covered under like 7 brands.

  Coke, Pepsi, Schweppes, Nestle, Unilever and there goes almost everything edible and drinkable that isn’t fresh.

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  • kitnaht@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Now here’s the scrubber of this all – If you REALLY want to be serious – Go to a farmers market.

    Oh wait, almost every fucking farmer is a Trump supporter…

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    • AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’d rather support a working farmer than an evil corporation

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      • kitnaht@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Well obviously - me as well - but I’m being told by extremists here that any support for a Trump supporter makes me a Nazi, and I don’t want to be one of those.

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    • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Large corporate farmers maybe (you’ve provided no support to your claim). In my experience though (a decade in fine dining, with direct relationships to many market farmers) there are more small farmers without their heads up their asses. They understand how they are being fucked with water rights, climate change and no right to repair. While nobody is doing enough on these things currently, they recognize that trump is gasoline on the fire that disrupts their lives.

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    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      A lot of them, sure. Not all of them.

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    • pip@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      not for long, it seems…

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• Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Who are “they” and who says that that is valid advice?

  “Separate the artist…” is fairly accepted by any decent people I know as a way for selfish people to forgive themselves the burden of minor personal sacrifices related to their own consumer activities. The long form is literally, “Yes, Michael Jackson did horrible things to that little boy’s butthole, Woody Allen molested his daughter and married his adopted child and Bill Cosby drugged and raped women for decades, but let’s go buy their movie/album!” - you likely wouldn’t say the long form through, would you? You would hide and obfuscate behind, “sepatate the artist…” So you don’t have to say the bad things out loud.

  Nobody with any integrity buys into “separate the artist…”

  Also, to your point about this post, again it’s a similarly lazy way to forgive yourself the burden of trying to stay aware of these things and making little changes to how you vote with your wallet. You can absolutely do something like go shop at Costco this week instead of target - as one performatively eliminated diversity programs at their company while one preserved them as a stand. That’s where your opinion falls apart because yes, you can likely find something to hate Costco as well (because they are all garbage companies, but there are shades, they aren’t all equal. You have to participate to function, but you can do the slightest amount of work to shop more consciously. But that is the work you are trying to forgive yourself of.

  The point isn’t perfection, but to do enough for this week and try again next week. Before you know it, you’re shopping more consciously wherever you go.

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  • kitnaht@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Separate the Art from the Artist is accepted by SANE people, who don’t have time to milk tirades so that they can play victim on the internet so that strangers think they are virtuous.

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    • FlowVoid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Nonsense. Most people who boycott products aren’t posting about it on the internet.

      And I don’t know why you assume that opposing one company means you have to oppose others. People are allowed to oppose PayPal but not give a crap about eating meat.

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    • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You operate under the false premise that people think this is about binary choice, it’s not. The shades of gray matter here. Again, as I stated, perfection isn’t the goal, it is how much of an effort you make to consciously navigate the bullshit we are forced to live within, while also hopefully working to fix the larger broken systems somehow in your lifetime. Progress, not perfection.

      You very baldly read as extremely selfish and again, you performatively forgive yourself in public forums so you don’t have to try. You sound like a professional victim. Start listening to those rogue thoughts at night when you’re staring at the ceiling, the ones that tell you you might be completely full of shit, they are on to something…

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• stringere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I just finished removing all my payment methods from paypal and have to wait for a transaction to complete before I can delete the account entirely. Took less than 15 minutes.

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