Comment on Colombian president says cocaine 'no worse than whisky'

guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• NeuronautML@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just to add a note that this graph comes from a study made on rats. I love the study and i use this graph frequently when discussing drugs, but i think it’s important to know.

  Being done on rats also raises the point that it’s done excluding a mental component of using the drug, like for instance how some people use cigarettes in depression for its antidepressant effect or use alcohol to cope with mental health issues.

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  • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve been doing an exhaustive study for the last couple of decades on the effects of whiskey on a human with mental health issues.

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    • guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Feedback?

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      • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s hard to write down scientific conclusions when you black out at the end of the night, but so far I wouldn’t recommend it. I’ll try again tonight and get back to you.

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  • guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Interesting! Do you have a link to the original study by any chance?

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    • NeuronautML@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I had from professor Gable’s page which was linked on wikipedia, but his page seems down and i can only find it from non free sources, but perhaps you’ll be more lucky than me. The name of the study is Gable, RS (2006) “Acute toxicity of drugs versus regulatory status” in Drugs and Society: U.S. Public Policy, Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield.

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  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It also doesn’t explore the mental health effects of repeated exposure to large doses of hallucinogens on people, which we still don’t have research on because of how demonized hallucinogens are in most countries doing research on drugs.

    Also, I don’t think you’ll get that past an ethics board…

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    • NeuronautML@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Probably not, but i can guarantee you i could find volunteers by the truck load. Hell I’ve met several of them.

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s that “therapist” at a mental health facility that would give ULTRA MACRODOSES of LSD to his patients, put them in a completely white room, strip them naked, chain them together, and play sad and horrifying things to them for DAYS in a row, and the only food they got was a nutrient slop they had to suck out of the wall… that didn’t go well.

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      • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bro, share a link if you can, PLEASE.

        This sounds like Donald Ewen Cameron’s work, but somehow even more fucked up than what I’ve heard about re: him to date. I absolutely need to know more.

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    • cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      what about testing the ld50 on humans?

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• bizzle@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Damn so when I say something like “in my opinion a joint is exactly the same as a cup of coffee” I’m wrong… because coffee is more likely to kill you than a joint

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  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It doesn’t say that. The X axis is basically the inverse of how many times a “usefull dose” you need to take before you die. Or you can see it as “overdose potential”.

    It’s basically impossible to overdose on cannabis, but really easy to overdose on heroin. Coffee is kinda weird, because if you’re drinking just coffee, you’re more likely to kill yourself from just drinking water-based liquid than from caffeine.

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  • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The joint is probably worse for you than the coffee because the smoke fucks up your lungs. But that’s not a problem with the drug, it’s a problem with the consumption method.

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    • NeuronautML@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah that’s the thing, this study analyzes how much of a substance is needed to kill you in one go, but not so clear on how repeated use translates to harm. So yeah there’s higher chances of getting killed in one go by coffee than joints, but in the long run with moderate doses the combustion carries a high risk of cancer.

      Best stick with edibles or dry herb vapes.

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• DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LSD stays winning

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  • Laser@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Psychedelics just chilling at the bottom. I’m not even sure there’s a proper LD50 for these as there are no recorded deaths where overdose was the cause. It’s so funny yet sad that these are super illegal while booze and tobacco are perfectly legal.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And the CIA tried SUPER HARD to find it too

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  • guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Love Sex Dreams

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• TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ketamine is less addictive than coffee, TIL

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  • isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it is, but the graph is referring to pure caffeine, which (unless you crush up pills and do lines of it) is in minimal amounts in coffee

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