So Dacia Spring?
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kurcatovium@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Gimme cheap, simple and reliable EV with guaranteed 200km range and I’m sold. I don’t need bazillion of cameras inside and out, I don’t need glass roof, I don’t need always online maps for a subscription fee (obviously I have that on my phone for free already) and I don’t need 20" infotainment, neither I need 3 zone AC with ventilated seats and ballsack massage device, etc. I just want a Dacia of EV market.
Mvlad88@lemmy.world 3 months ago
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 3 months ago
If I was alone, this would be an option. With family, not so much. I’ve heard horrible stories, struggling to go uphill with 4 people on board, etc. And I live in a hilly area.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Coincidentlaly, throwing all this junk out makes EV’s significantly lighter.
They kinda suffer from “the tyranny of the rocket equation” since so much of their mass is “fuel.” Make it lighter, and they need less battery, which means you need even less battery to carry that battery around, less chassis and suspension weight for that, which removes more battery, and so on.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The Aptera coming out follows this principle. It’s the only EV that’s light enough that the onboard solar panels contribute a significant boost in range.
dbkblk@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Do you know where it’s at? It was supposed to come to US by 2022, and I’m wondering about Europe…
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s was getting shown off at CES. Plenty of videos on youtube.
Europe would be a different beast regardless. It’s expensive to pay for safety testing in one place and those aren’t transferable. If you want one in Europe, you might be able to as a private importer maybe? There was one guy who tried that with a Cybertruck and got in trouble. I’m not a lawyer.
dan@upvote.au 3 months ago
Fully solid-state batteries are just around the corner - some Chinese models already have a semi-solid-state battery, MG are releasing one this year, companies like Toyota and Honda are working on it too. The current use case is to extend range (600+ miles / 1000+ kms) but they could also be used to get similar range as today’s cars with a much lighter battery.
thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 3 months ago
Solid state is just around the corner in the same way fusion is. Toyota announced in 2010 they’d have it in prod by 2015, then 2018, then 2020, then 2025 then…"real soon now™ "
The MG “may be a semi solid state”
electrek.co/…/new-semi-solid-state-battery-ev-lau…
Which is not quite the same thing.
BYD and CATL who have a good track record of delivery are suggesting 2030
TL;DR
Don’t wait for solid state, the current battery tech is more than adequate for the majority of people. Holding off for something “perfect” that may never arrive when “good enough” is here diesn’t seem logical to me
dan@upvote.au 3 months ago
There’s already cars available today with semi solid state batteries: One by Nio and one by IM.
The article I read about the MG was certain that it’d be solid state. Sorry for the incorrect info.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
The fiat 500 e fits all that and it’s a delight to drive.
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 3 months ago
It’s a cool car, yes. Too small for me, but cool as fuck. Used ones are affordable, but it’s still 34k € new, which is not cheap at all.
neo2478@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Fair enough on the price. We got a used 2021 for a lot less than that and it’s the perfect car for us. It’s surprisingly spacious inside. This is coming from a 195cm overweight guy.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Ballsack massage device you say…
BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I had the option, it drives you nuts
sznowicki@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Dacia Spring. You’re welcome.
Neon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
VW E-Up is cheap and really good
helloworld55@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Just wondering, what qualifies as cheap for you?
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Microlino, Fiat panda grande, Renault 5, Citroën Ami and others. The smaller and more affordable versions are getting there.
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Any of those in the US market?
I’ve only seen Rivians and Teslas in my parts.
DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world 3 months ago
You’ve probably seen a lot more electric vehicles than you realize. Almost every big manufacturer has them in their lineups at this point, just most of them are looking more and more conventional.
Take a look at the Honda Prologue, the Toyota BZ4X, the Kia Niro EV6 or EV9, Hyundai Ioniq line and Kona Ford Mach E, Chevy Equinox EV or Blazer EV.
There’s also EV versions the F150, Chevy Silverado, and Hummer. Supposedly RAM will have an EV truck soon, too.
errer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Chevy Bolt, except it was discontinued so now nothing…
takeda@lemm.ee 3 months ago
There’s a lot more, but they don’t stand out. Look at cars that don’t have a radiator and if course a tailpipe.
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Not a single one of them is available where I live. And once I checked them, they’re not really family cars I was hoping for.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 3 months ago
There’s a little blue Honda EV I see at work. Looks smart as.