Comment on Why don't we just gather up all the ocean's trash and all the nonrecyclables, put them in a rocket, and launch it into the sun?

Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• figjam@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And then actually shooting something into the sun is harder than just blasting it out of the solar system.

  Why is this true? Wouldn`t gravity do most of the work if we just kinda shove it in that direction?

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  • Bimfred@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because if you launch something from Earth, you inherit the Earth’s orbital speed around the Sun. At that point, whatever you launched, will just continue to orbit the Sun. It takes less energy to accelerate to a solar system exit trajectory than it does to scrub off all of the excess velocity and end up on a trajectory that intersects the Sun.

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    • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But does it matter what speed the garbage is going at when it hits the sun?

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, but it’s going too fast sideways. It would miss the sun. You need to slow it down by the same apeed that Earth is moving, stopping its sideways motion and letting it drop into the sun.

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  • LordGimp@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes and no. The gravity of the sun will attract the rocket, but there are other things out in space besides the sun.

    The problem then is other planets will start whipping the garbage rocket around who knows where. Could even come back around and smash into earth. Same problem with the sun, actually. It’s quite hard to hit something that’s that big when we’re this far away. If you miss even a fraction of a decimal of a degree, the trash rocket will swing around and you’re back to planetary hot potato.

    It’s easier to sling the rocket past the south or north pole at a right angle to the solar plane. Up or down it’ll either keep going till it’s another suns problem or it joins the Oort cloud, which is kinda like a giant trash dump for everything that didn’t make it into our solar system when the sun formed.

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    • oo1@lemmings.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

               LEELA
                           Should we really be celebrating? I mean, 
                           what if the second garbage ball returns 
                           to Earth like the first one did?
      
                 FRY
                           Who cares? That won't be for hundreds 
                           of years.
      
                 FARNSWORTH
                           Exactly! It's none of our concern.
             
                 FRY
                           That's the 20th century spirit!
      

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  • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The earth is traveling around the sun at about 67000mph (29,722 meters per second, the unit of measurement I’ll use from here on our for consistently) that means to fall into the sun (and this is once you’ve already expended a ton of Delta-V (delta-V being a count of meters per second in change to orbit your craft needs to make/can make) escaping the Earth’s gravitational influence) you’d have to slow down a significant portion (about 24,000 meters per second specifically) of that 29,722 meters per second that you’re hurtling through space at.

    It takes so much energy to try to crash a craft into the sun it’s literally cheaper (only costing about 8,800 m/s of Delta-V, compared to about 24,000 m/s of Delta-V) to fly the craft very very far away, such as to the edge of the solar system, then zero out the angular velocity so it effectively falls into the sun, than it is to fly directly to the sun. This tactic also enables one to use another planets gravitational influence to “gravity turn” and save on fuel, but it’s still horrendously expensive to get even a small craft weighing a fraction of a ton from the surface of earth out to the edge of the solar system to begin with.

    Rockets face a significant challenge in that in order to reach orbit they need a large amount of energy, sources from a large amount of fuel. To get 1 ton of payload to orbit it needs an amount of fuel which adds additional weight which then requires additional fuel to lift the mass of the fuel. Because of this it takes about 100kg of fuel to get 1kg to orbit

    In short, I highly recommend spending a few days playing Kerbal Space Program to learn far more than will fit in a single comment about orbital dynamics. That game is amazing at teaching basic concepts of orbital dynamics and the incredible challenges space programs face in just getting payloads to orbit let alone incredible feats like interplanetary travel or interstellar travel

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• IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And then actually shooting something into the sun is harder than just blasting it out of the solar system.

  This is fun to play with: trinket.io/embed/glowscript/6642756b52?toggleCode…

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• Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Nailed all the points.

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