It’s definitely not extremely common.
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celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
In the past, autonomous vehicle development dwelled on the ethical hypothetical situations like “do you hit an old lady crossing the road in order to avoid crashing into a schoolbus full of children?”, but what about safety hypotheticals? Like, if you were actually driving your vehicle, there are moments when it’s in your best interest to not be at a stop, such as when people are physically surrounding your car and potentially mean to cause you harm, which is extremely common in America. When does the driverless car get you out of a tight spot and run over some carjackers if need be?
prole@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You guys are talking past one another. It’s extremely common at a population level insofar as its happening literally many times per day at the population level. It is not extremely likely at the individual level because the vehicle miles driven per carjacking is massive with most people never getting car jacked.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
If an AI car ever has to make a decision on who dies, the answer should always be “whoever agreed to the terms and conditions before they got in the vehicle”.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And there it is
Skates@feddit.nl 2 months ago
This will never be the case. Because nobody will buy an overpriced “yo, if there’s ever any doubt about, like, anything - just put a bullet in my head” machine. So nobody will sell it.
Face it - you have the same thousands of pounds of metal today, and you’re the only one making decisions. You (drivers, as a community) have killed before, for selfish reasons: because you don’t want to die is the least selfish of them. Other hits include “didn’t wanna not get drunk with the homies”, “I really needed to answer that text” and “I have 10 minutes till home but the game starts in 5, it’s my favorite team, I can make it”. And you somehow seem to want non-drivers (passengers of AI cars) to have the same expectation that they will be a victim even when they get a car?
Drivers are so self-centered it’s goddamn ridiculous.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
I’m talking about pedestrians, not other drivers.
If autonomous vehicles can’t be trusted not to run people over, then they shouldn’t be allowed to go above like 20mph in a built up area where there’s likely to be people walking about. And frankly neither should human drivers, but good luck not getting them to call it a “war on motorists” if you try.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Ah yes, drivers are self-centered for checks notes not wanting pedestrians to be hit by self-driving cars
Skates@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Nah man. I’ll rephrase:
Drivers are self-centered because:
- they are one of the leading causes of death, and they convinced the world their convenience is worth it
- they believe that they literally know better than AI and are better suited to have power over life and death
- they’re out here tryna say passengers of AI cars should sign up to die automatically, when drivers are actually the ones who are today responsible for all deaths by car
I made it easier to understand, hope it helps.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Extremely common? Really?
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Yes. I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
The only thing I’d be curious about with these numbers is car jackings vs the amount of cars/drivers on the road. That would give a percentage and let us know how common it is.
dan@upvote.au 2 months ago
And how many of the carjackings were high-value targets like delivery vans, or in sketchy high-crime parts of the city.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
500 carjackings in NYC in a year? Oh the humanity.
There’s literally a million cars on the road on any given day just in Manhattan.
Get a sense of scale.
boonhet@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I suppose they’re extremely common in comparison to other countries. I’ve never heard of them happening in mine since the 90s when we actually had violent crime.
We still have car theft, it’s just that they get stolen while parked.
BluesF@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Surely you can just take over? You can’t expect the car to run people over for you lol
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
The Waymo car wouldn’t let the woman take over.
BluesF@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah I misread before I commented, I didn’t know robot taxis were a thing, Jesus…
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
How the fuck do you figure that’s “extremely common”? You need to spend less time on the Internet my dude …
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.