It’s definitely not extremely common.
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celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
In the past, autonomous vehicle development dwelled on the ethical hypothetical situations like “do you hit an old lady crossing the road in order to avoid crashing into a schoolbus full of children?”, but what about safety hypotheticals? Like, if you were actually driving your vehicle, there are moments when it’s in your best interest to not be at a stop, such as when people are physically surrounding your car and potentially mean to cause you harm, which is extremely common in America. When does the driverless car get you out of a tight spot and run over some carjackers if need be?
prole@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You guys are talking past one another. It’s extremely common at a population level insofar as its happening literally many times per day at the population level. It is not extremely likely at the individual level because the vehicle miles driven per carjacking is massive with most people never getting car jacked.
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 month ago
If an AI car ever has to make a decision on who dies, the answer should always be “whoever agreed to the terms and conditions before they got in the vehicle”.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And there it is
Skates@feddit.nl 1 month ago
This will never be the case. Because nobody will buy an overpriced “yo, if there’s ever any doubt about, like, anything - just put a bullet in my head” machine. So nobody will sell it.
Face it - you have the same thousands of pounds of metal today, and you’re the only one making decisions. You (drivers, as a community) have killed before, for selfish reasons: because you don’t want to die is the least selfish of them. Other hits include “didn’t wanna not get drunk with the homies”, “I really needed to answer that text” and “I have 10 minutes till home but the game starts in 5, it’s my favorite team, I can make it”. And you somehow seem to want non-drivers (passengers of AI cars) to have the same expectation that they will be a victim even when they get a car?
Drivers are so self-centered it’s goddamn ridiculous.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I’m talking about pedestrians, not other drivers.
If autonomous vehicles can’t be trusted not to run people over, then they shouldn’t be allowed to go above like 20mph in a built up area where there’s likely to be people walking about. And frankly neither should human drivers, but good luck not getting them to call it a “war on motorists” if you try.
Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Ah yes, drivers are self-centered for checks notes not wanting pedestrians to be hit by self-driving cars
Skates@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Nah man. I’ll rephrase:
Drivers are self-centered because:
- they are one of the leading causes of death, and they convinced the world their convenience is worth it
- they believe that they literally know better than AI and are better suited to have power over life and death
- they’re out here tryna say passengers of AI cars should sign up to die automatically, when drivers are actually the ones who are today responsible for all deaths by car
I made it easier to understand, hope it helps.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Extremely common? Really?
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Yes. I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
The only thing I’d be curious about with these numbers is car jackings vs the amount of cars/drivers on the road. That would give a percentage and let us know how common it is.
dan@upvote.au 1 month ago
And how many of the carjackings were high-value targets like delivery vans, or in sketchy high-crime parts of the city.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
500 carjackings in NYC in a year? Oh the humanity.
There’s literally a million cars on the road on any given day just in Manhattan.
Get a sense of scale.
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I suppose they’re extremely common in comparison to other countries. I’ve never heard of them happening in mine since the 90s when we actually had violent crime.
We still have car theft, it’s just that they get stolen while parked.
BluesF@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Surely you can just take over? You can’t expect the car to run people over for you lol
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The Waymo car wouldn’t let the woman take over.
BluesF@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah I misread before I commented, I didn’t know robot taxis were a thing, Jesus…
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 1 month ago
How the fuck do you figure that’s “extremely common”? You need to spend less time on the Internet my dude …
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I’ve provided data for you in my original comment.