I would say even those don’t need Internet. Navigation can be updated using a USB drive, and I have a phone for audio so I just need bluetooth.
The only network connection I want in my car is to notify emergency services if the airbags go off.
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Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 days ago
There’s just no good reason to have anything beyond the radio/nav etc in a car connected to the Internet. Remote start can be done with just the key.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Things like live traffic require a connection though, and Google maps I think does the routing calcs off the device. Most people will use their phone for all that, but the use case is there.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 days ago
I mean, there are plenty of very good reasons.
My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off. I can see exactly where it is if it’s stolen. Etc.
You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.
I think there are certainly other wireless technologies that are superior in many ways and can supplement or replace the need for internet access in your immediate area.
Slatlun@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason to put internet in a car that negates the risk of it.
It is like adding lead to food. It’s a cheap sweetener with no calories. You can argue that cheap sweeteners aren’t important to you, but I don’t think you can argue that it isn’t a good reason. It just isn’t a good enough reason to negate the risk.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 days ago
I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason
OK but that’s not what they said.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
if its not a good enough reason, that’s literally not a good reason
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
frankly they aren’t good reasons.
the first bunch provides info and abilities that are only relevant when you are in the car. this is like wanting to know your house’s temperature when you are in the store, or on vacation. what the fuck you do with that information?
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this? go after them with your 4th car and a shotgun? let’s hope they did not disconnect the batteries…
helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 day ago
what the fuck you do with that information?
I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this?
Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this
I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.
sorry, I wanted to mean these:
My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off
Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…
yes, why do you need a moving, online accessible high quality surveillance camera system is a real question.
I don’t think you need this to report it to the police, the loud alarm and policeman on the road searching for the stolen car has worked well for decades. or at least I haven’t heard of car theft in… a pretty long time, so long that I don’t even remember.I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.
oh it would exist if laws would force car makers to not place unremovable tracking systems in the car by default.
but I that being said, think these tings do exist, in the form of little devices thay you can connect to your car’s OBD port, and they have a GPS receiver and a SIM slot to do it’s job.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.
These sound like “value-add module purchased at or after time of sale” reasons.
In short, they’re features and not requirements.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
That’s a very subjective take. My friends and family that live in hot climates love the ability to remotely turn on and pre-cool their vehicles.
Slowy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Both of those functions have been available via key fob for at least a decade, no internet required. Though yes the range on that can be limited.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 day ago
I appreciate being able to check if I remembered to lock the doors.
How exactly does that work with a keyfob…?
Verat@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
There are “two-way” remote start kits that have a display on the fob to report back AC state, engine remaining run time, and door lock state.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Thats precisely what I’m referring to- these things being possible when you’re inside of a store, restaurant, or an extreme case like you parked at the airport for a trip.
jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Some of us still remember Wise Guys and want that range! ;-)
penquin@lemm.ee 2 days ago
And by using that internet connected feature you’re 100% handing out your driving info to your car manufacturer, who in turn will sell it to LexisNexis, who in turn will sell it to insurance companies, who in turn will jack up your insurance prices.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Sure, that sucks. But I’m specifically countering the argument that there are “no good reasons” with my personal good reasons.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
it really depends whether that counts as a good reason. for us the downsides highly outweigh the upsides.
and yes, I know what it’s like to sit in a hot car when I just got back to it on the hot summer day. but I can really wait 2 minutes outside the car when it’s that bad
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 days ago
As I said in my comment, that can be done with the key, no Internet connection needed.
As for the lock thing, I just need to look if my mirrors are folded in or not.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
The fob won’t work if you’re deep inside a store, will it? Same for checking the mirrors.
socphoenix@midwest.social 2 days ago
A) you can survive without precooling or set it to start before getting deep into the store.
B)if you want that feature fine, but leave it off everyone else’s car! No cell connections should be installed by default like this. It’s a walking cve list waiting to happen.
h3mlocke@lemm.ee 2 days ago
😭
Frog@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
You know what fuck builtin nav. Connect it to my phone and let that be it for navigation.
trolololol@lemmy.world 2 days ago
And same for music. What year is this 2010?
Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I like using the built in radio rather than my phone for music, but it doesn’t need an internet connection, just a flash drive.
I suppose I’m a weirdo for not using Spotify like most people nowadays though
piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I use my phone for music… but i have a 256GB sd card installed in it.
christopher@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Plus if you use your phone for nav you can use whatever maps you like. My city is mapped pretty good on openstreetmap so that’s what I use.