Comment on Hacking Kia: Remotely Controlling Cars With Just a License Plate.

Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Frog@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You know what fuck builtin nav. Connect it to my phone and let that be it for navigation.

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  • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And same for music. What year is this 2010?

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    • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I like using the built in radio rather than my phone for music, but it doesn’t need an internet connection, just a flash drive.

      I suppose I’m a weirdo for not using Spotify like most people nowadays though

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      • piccolo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I use my phone for music… but i have a 256GB sd card installed in it.

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      • trolololol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        A bit, I have a huge collection of CDs ripped to MP3 that are nowhere else digital streaming

        I find the weird weird thing is to listen to local radio or satellite radio. I only do it for short trips where the radio turns on automatically and it’s not worth the time to put decent music from the phone.

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  • christopher@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Plus if you use your phone for nav you can use whatever maps you like. My city is mapped pretty good on openstreetmap so that’s what I use.

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• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I mean, there are plenty of very good reasons.

  My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off. I can see exactly where it is if it’s stolen. Etc.

  You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.

  I think there are certainly other wireless technologies that are superior in many ways and can supplement or replace the need for internet access in your immediate area.

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  • Slatlun@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason to put internet in a car that negates the risk of it.

    It is like adding lead to food. It’s a cheap sweetener with no calories. You can argue that cheap sweeteners aren’t important to you, but I don’t think you can argue that it isn’t a good reason. It just isn’t a good enough reason to negate the risk.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason

      OK but that’s not what they said.

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      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        if its not a good enough reason, that’s literally not a good reason

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  • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    frankly they aren’t good reasons.

    the first bunch provides info and abilities that are only relevant when you are in the car. this is like wanting to know your house’s temperature when you are in the store, or on vacation. what the fuck you do with that information?

    the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this? go after them with your 4th car and a shotgun? let’s hope they did not disconnect the batteries…

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      what the fuck you do with that information?

      I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.

      the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this?

      Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…

      if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this

      I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.

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      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.

        sorry, I wanted to mean these:

        My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off

        Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…

        yes, why do you need a moving, online accessible high quality surveillance camera system is a real question.
        I don’t think you need this to report it to the police, the loud alarm and policeman on the road searching for the stolen car has worked well for decades. or at least I haven’t heard of car theft in… a pretty long time, so long that I don’t even remember.

        I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.

        oh it would exist if laws would force car makers to not place unremovable tracking systems in the car by default.

        but I that being said, think these tings do exist, in the form of little devices thay you can connect to your car’s OBD port, and they have a GPS receiver and a SIM slot to do it’s job.

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.

    These sound like “value-add module purchased at or after time of sale” reasons.

    In short, they’re features and not requirements.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether there are good reasons to have them at all.

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• kinkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s a very subjective take. My friends and family that live in hot climates love the ability to remotely turn on and pre-cool their vehicles.

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  • Slowy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Both of those functions have been available via key fob for at least a decade, no internet required. Though yes the range on that can be limited.

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    • kinkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Thats precisely what I’m referring to- these things being possible when you’re inside of a store, restaurant, or an extreme case like you parked at the airport for a trip.

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    • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I appreciate being able to check if I remembered to lock the doors.

      How exactly does that work with a keyfob…?

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      • Verat@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        There are “two-way” remote start kits that have a display on the fob to report back AC state, engine remaining run time, and door lock state.

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    • jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Some of us still remember Wise Guys and want that range! ;-)

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  • penquin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And by using that internet connected feature you’re 100% handing out your driving info to your car manufacturer, who in turn will sell it to LexisNexis, who in turn will sell it to insurance companies, who in turn will jack up your insurance prices.

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    • kinkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Sure, that sucks. But I’m specifically countering the argument that there are “no good reasons” with my personal good reasons.

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      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        it really depends whether that counts as a good reason. for us the downsides highly outweigh the upsides.
        and yes, I know what it’s like to sit in a hot car when I just got back to it on the hot summer day. but I can really wait 2 minutes outside the car when it’s that bad

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  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    As I said in my comment, that can be done with the key, no Internet connection needed.

    As for the lock thing, I just need to look if my mirrors are folded in or not.

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    • kinkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The fob won’t work if you’re deep inside a store, will it? Same for checking the mirrors.

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      • socphoenix@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        A) you can survive without precooling or set it to start before getting deep into the store.

        B)if you want that feature fine, but leave it off everyone else’s car! No cell connections should be installed by default like this. It’s a walking cve list waiting to happen.

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  • h3mlocke@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    😭

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• Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I would say even those don’t need Internet. Navigation can be updated using a USB drive, and I have a phone for audio so I just need bluetooth.

  The only network connection I want in my car is to notify emergency services if the airbags go off.

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  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Things like live traffic require a connection though, and Google maps I think does the routing calcs off the device. Most people will use their phone for all that, but the use case is there.

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