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Henry@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
LOL, like I write a same comment I got deleted on Fediverse but it lives well on Instagram and X? The arbitrary standard for the censorship in Fediverse is extremely bad.
The Fediverse is not one thing. It's a bunch of different sites that are interconnected. You can join a site that has strict moderation, or you can join one that has no moderation at all.
Personally, I'm not here because I think moderation on Instagram and X is too active. Rather to the contrary.
If you run your own server (like a country would in this case) you’re the one deciding whether things are allowed to be posted. Of course that doesn’t stop other people from blocking you. But the whole idea is as a sovereign country a private corporation shouldn’t have a say over which posts are seen.
You can always make your own instance and moderate your own comments.
Be aware that no one is forced to keep federated with your instance.
It is telling that you consider moderation “censorship”
Moderation is when you take down material because the recipient doesn’t want to see it. Censorship is when you take down content because you don’t want the recipient to see it, regardless of how the recipient feels about it. [vintermann, Hacker News]
— a comment on Hacker News
— vintermann, Hacker News
I don’t know who this person is, but adding “Hacker News” doesn’t give their words more credibility. It gives them less, if anything.
Imagine quoted someone and, underneath it, added:
— PM_ME_UR_FEET, Reddit
Both of these enjoy the same level of base, intrinsic trust to me: none.
I’m not citing the author to add credibility, just to give credit.
Depends on what you get moderated for. I once posted a question about trans people and I got banned from some Lemmy.ml community because they thought I was trolling them. I wasn’t.
It’s just sometimes hard for moderators to know what kind of person they are dealing with. But someone’s posting history is usually enough to see if they are trolling or not.
Also what is trolling. It’s supposed to mean that you intentionally upset people for fun. How can anyone know if it’s intentionally or not. To some people, asking a question is trolling because they don’t see why anyone would ask that if they didn’t try to upset people.
So… It’s interesting.
My point is that the word censorship carries a connotation of trying to suppress certain types of speech. While that may be true in some cases, for the most part if I get moderated it’s for an opinion I can understand or disagree with. In either case it’s an opinion. I’m not a victim. On some instances though, yeah censorship is kind of a thing. On .ml, anything seen as not extremely left wing gets deleted or banned, and that’s bad. But I can just avoid that shitty instance. No one owes me the “right” to be heard in every context.
The thing is, i think social media today has created a lot of censorship out of necessity. There are people out there who just aren’t mature or intelligent enough to have a conversation without insulting or pushing people down.
And because of they, we all suffer. We get over-moderated, we get called trolls etc.
I think I would like a platform where people actually have to act like adults. But that’s hard. Hacker news have kind of made it, but they are also well known for not being open minded at all.
For better or worse, the moderation policies of Lemmy.world is seen as “the fediverse”.
Then again, the only person in these comments actually using lemmy.world seemed pretty happy with his experience.
It would be nice if people had an easier way of knowing the level of moderation before joining a server. One idea could be for services like [Fediverser[(https://fediverser.network/instances) could include an indicator of moderation level - for example "relaxed" if few instances are defederated, "moderate" if moderation is more active, and "strict" for more restrictive communities. Data from [Fediseer[(https://gui.fediseer.com/) might be useful in this regard.
That way the people fleeing Reddit because of censorship would know where to go, and the rest of us wouldn't have to be bothered by them unless we really wanted to.
The biggest problem, I guess, is that it's a lot of work, and I certainly don't have the time nor skill-set required. So people will just have to read their instance rules. :)
The arbitrary standard for the censorship in Fediverse is extremely bad.
“The pirates code… Be more like… guidelines.”
If you need to use X as an example of free speech, you’re on the wrong side of the argument bud.
If you need to use X as an example of free speech, you’re on the wrong side of the argument bud.
For something to be deleted on the fediverse you would need to have no instance and no followers lol
naught101@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Better a moderation system that has a few false positives than a system that allows nazi and fascist accounts to flourish.
Henry@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
This sounds like Chinese Communist Party :)
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You seriously think there’s something wrong with not allowing Nazi and Fascist content on a social media site? You think we should allow a platform for those fucks?