That’s not how you spell “Xinjang camps” …
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erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
China makes everything better & cheaper, not just cars.
mindlight@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
America has more prisoners than China: en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_incarcera…
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I don’t see what this has to do with the fact that China utilises slave labour from a religious minority group they are currently genociding to aid in their construction and manufacturing sector.
To my knowledge, you go to prison in the US when you commit a crime, as opposed to a labour camp where you are sterilised then made to build Fords under threat of death.
erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
America also uses slave prison labour
And America has more incarcerated people than China, despite China having way more people.
0x0@programming.dev 16 hours ago
you go to prison in the US when you commit a crime
Gotta keep’em prisons profitable…
MNByChoice@midwest.social 15 hours ago
Thank you for the reference link.
China has one hell of a footnote:
b. See info about additional detainees, and alleged detainees, at Re-education through labor, Laogai, and Xinjiang internment camps.
LouNeko@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
There no way in Hell a country with a population in the billions has lower incarnation numbers than one with a few hundred million. That is just statistically impossible. It all comes down to what you count as incarnated. This is like the US “solving” its unemployment crisis by not counting people who think about maybe looking for work sometime as not unemployed. These numbers are self reported, so they should be taken with a big grain of salt.
InverseParallax@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Because China executes at a rate 100x the US, that we know of, believed to be 1000x.
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
You mean cheaper and worse, there are little to no regulations and if there are any, inspectors are paid off as China is corrupt AF. and the cheaper part is because the general factory workers are kept extremity poor to uphold the cheap labor, next to the Uyghurs in concentration camps who are forced to work for free. There are no rights or regulations for factory workers, so no protective clothing or gear, no safe work environment, while working with extremity toxic materials as those are cheaper then the safer alternatives. Working 12 to 16 hours per day, as young as 8 years old, 6 to 7 days a week, no sick days, no holidays. There is no quality control. There is media control, so every online post of a spontaneously combusted EV, which are maaaaany, is removed.
So you confuse quality with quantity. Yeah, it’s cheaper. But at what cost. Not just the lives of the Chinese workers, those toxins are also in the products we use.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Until the brand goes poof because China didn’t like something they did and poof; now you have a ghost car. Good luck finding repair parts for your car; and fixing the server connection required features
erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
never had this experience before.
But I had exactly this issue many times with Google cancelling stuff I like.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The secret is heavy subsidy, very little worker protections/safety, very little environmental protection, and slave labour.
Lysergid@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
That was my first thought, but is that much different for say Tesla. They get tax breaks and pay as low as they can. Don’t get me wrong I not protecting China’s way, I’m rather against both. But it would be interesting to see numbers from both sides
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Yes it’s very different to China. Tesla certainly overworks their employees by basically expecting them to do overtime, and engages in anti-union shadiness, but that pales in comparison to utilising slave labour from a religious minority group they subjugate and have even been known to sterilise.
Tesla still has to abide by US environmental regulations, which while not as strict as you’d find in Europe, are a hell of a lot stricter than China.
Tesla still has to follow construction and safety laws that, again while not super strict like in much of Europe, is a hell of a lot stricter than China.
The US also doesn’t subsidise exported Teslas in a move to exterminate foreign car companies before ramping up prices.
IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Did you just seriously try to compare China factories to Tesla? This place really is just an absurd bubble.
For reference in Mexico they are making 5k a year vs 50k. I’m sure it’s rainbows and kittens over at byd.