Regarding sublinks and feeling concerned about what is going on with it

Submitted ⁨⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨KonalaKoala@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

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Right now, I’m feeling concerned and wondering what is going on in regards to Sublinks here, since I have created a community for discussion on koalas about a week ago on here and have started and been doing work on it recently. But now I’m hearing about Sublinks and feeling concerned if I created it on the wrong instance or the wrong platform since I’m now just recently hearing about it. I’m just feeling worried and wondering whether or not if I should do anything or not.

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shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t think there is anything to be concerned about.

Sublinks will live alongside Lemmy, just like kbin does today. Some Lemmy instances might switch to it under the hood at some point, but as a user you’d probably have a hard time even noticing it, and all the data (such as your community) would still be there unchanged.

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- can@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Sublinks will live alongside Lemmy, just like kbin does today. Some Lemmy instances might switch to it under the hood at some point, but as a user you probably woudn’t even notice the change
  
  To expand on this, some kbin instances have already similarly changed to mbin, and no one noticed.
  
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  - SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What happened to lbin?
    
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- KonalaKoala@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Oh okay, it got me confused and made me feel concerned because I don’t want to end up losing the community I created here.
  
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- ericjmorey@discuss.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  as a user you probably woudn’t even notice the change.
  
  That’s not entirely true. The default UI for Sublinks is being developed to be dramatically different than the default UI for Lemmy. It’s unclear if the Lemmy UI will be made available by lemmy.world if they change to Sublinks. Its also unclear if lemmy.world will simply redirect to sublinks.world.
  
  It’s also unclear if lemmy.world will use sublinks as sublinks currently doesn’t exist in a form that’s usable for lemmy.world. And it may turn out that what is built doesn’t work as intended and lemmy.world will continue to use lemmy indefinitely.
  
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  - shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s planned to be 100% API compatible with Lemmy, so you’d be able to use any Lemmy-UI with it. IDK why LW or any other instance would change their default UI.
    
    A lot of things are not final and may change, but let’s just start with their stated goals, instead of speculating about all the things that could theoretically happen.
    
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Ategon@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I dont know what youre concerned about relating to it but

Sublinks is a drop in replacement for lemmy. In version 0.1 nothing should really be different between the two apart from the default UI looking different

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- blue_berry@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Do you know how far the development is?
  
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  - Snoopy@jlai.lu ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You can follow their roadmap on their github page.
    
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9point6@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Can someone explain to me why sublinks was started as a project? If the main difference is improvements to the moderation tools, it feels like it could have just been a PR to lemmy.

I’m trying my hardest to not assume it’s the classic “Java engineers are scared of other languages” meme

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- GlitterInfection@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I like lemmy but also I’ve been following the drama from the sidelines, so I think the focus on Rust vs Java has nothing to do with the choice to create a lemmy alternative.
  
  The reason sublinks exists is that the lemmy devs have made some large technical and PR mistakes that have led to multiple larger instance admins losing faith in them.
  
  There was the Beehaw debacle where nutomic told the Beehaw admins that they should go to a different platform and take their “entitled” “demands” with them. It’s not surprising to see various alternatives to lemmy springing up as a result of the devs telling people to do so.
  
  There was the illegal content spam incident which required instance admins to interact directly with the image database in complex ways for each image to remove the content from their servers, and I believe lemmy.world disabled submitting images if you are using a VPN or the tor network as a result. The lemmy devs have made some bafflingly derisive comments about that incident.
  
  And then there’s the recent update that has broken federation of bigger instances, which is an ongoing issue. Communities are having to move instances to help with this bug which should have been caught in testing the update.
  
  So sublinks seems to be some folks deciding that they can do it better.
  
  Choosing Java is one way that they think they can do better. The argument goes, significantly more people know Java than Rust. Lemmy has had some problem getting extra help as a result of this limit, so hopefully sublinks will have a much larger pool of talented devs who will step up and submit code.
  
  Sublinks isn’t the only one, too. Piefed is the python Lemmy alternative that’s cropped up recently and I believe there are some others in other languages.
  
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  - Blaze@dormi.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you for your valuable comment.
    
    I believe there are some others in other languages.
    
    There is Mbin in PHP!
    
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  - nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    There was the Beehaw debacle where nutomic told the Beehaw admins that they should go to a different platform and take their “entitled” “demands” with them.
    
    They were kinda acting entitled to not just free labor, but to have their issues prioritized over others.
    
    Rust fans are struggling to understand that language choice isn’t always the most important part of a project.
    
    I mean, Lemmy was explicitly written in Rust because the creators of Lemmy wanted to do a project in Rust. The complaints that I’ve seen about the language choice are just bizzare with that context. I’m quite happy with others hoping in and making their own compatible things in different languages because that makes the world more interesting and gives more people something that they might want to contribute to.
    
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- Die4Ever@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Also the moderation tools could’ve been Java and connect to the Lemmy API (maybe with some pull requests to add to Lemmy’s API), which to me sounds a lot better than saying fuck it and rewriting everything
  
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  - jgrim@discuss.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I tried that the but API lacked a lot of features that they were too busy to add, like proper pagination to find the latest changes, etc. I started a project like that first called socialcare.cloud but have since shut it down in favor of Sublinks.
    
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Blaze@dormi.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Here is your community viewed from Mbin: kbin.run/m/koalawallawoods@lemmy.world

As you can see, posts are there, it’s possible to comment as well.

It will be the same for Sublinks

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- KonalaKoala@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I just tried to follow that link and it appears someone needs to notify the website owners about this error message I’m getting from it and I’m using LibreWolf for my browser for privacy reasons.
  
  Secure Connection Failed
  
  An error occurred during a connection to kbin.run.
  
  The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
  
  Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
  
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  - ____@infosec.pub ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Seems to be something about the link rewrite, from where I sit - I can copy and paste the link and get exactly the expected page, but if I click it, it’s broken. Seems like a Lemmy issue, if anything, as the pasted link opens just fine.
    
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  - Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s a basic standard LetsEncrypt certificate so either your certificate store is wildly outdated, or you have something bad going on on your network.
    
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TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Your community on koala’s is available on Lemmy, M/Kbin, and sublinks if the host sites are all federated. You just create it on the platform you like to use, if you end up switching to using sublinks in the future you could always make your sublinks account a mod on the community and access it from sublinks

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Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
FYI Sublinks is a drop-in replacement for Lemmy, it’s fully compatible with the API and database structure, so it can simply be swapped out and aside from UI differences it’ll work Basically the same, it could even be used with the Lemmy-UI in which case there would basically be no difference in appearance and function.

Also due to the nature of Federated services as long as everything still speaks the same protocol it doesn’t matter that much the software each server uses. The community will still be accessible on those services.

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sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What’s wrong with SubLinks?

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- nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Java /s
  
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