Alaska Airlines Grounds Fleet of Boeing 737 Max 9 Jets After Midair ‘Incident’

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/business/alaska-airlines-flight-portland-landing.html

And here we go again, another bOING 737 Max.

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maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is the result of corporate America not holding its executives personally accountable for gross negligence, and the unregulated monopolistic nature of a bunch of markets. It is well known in the industry that the whole fiasco regarding the 737 Max is caused by the acquisition of McDonnell-Douglas, and its shitty management that integrated with Boeing.

Who was held responsible for those 300 people dying? Who would have been for these guys? Who will be for the next accident?

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- perviouslyiner@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s quite weird that the company used to have a safety culture before the acquisition - just can’t imagine an aircraft company wanting to throw that away when it’s so valuable.
  
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  - gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s because the finance chucklefucks ran the numbers, saw data that indicated simply paying out injury and wrongful death settlements and safety penalties appeared to be cheaper than designing a new airframe, and went that route. It’s very literally all a numbers game, and the only numbers that really matter to these idiots are the ones with $ in the front.
    
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  - kcuf@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Watch the documentaries, the former MD board basically took over Boeing, moved leadership out of WA to Chicago, set up separate plants (one in Georgia not sure if there are more) to counter union/worker demands in WA, etc. This has been a long process resulting in the rotting of the company from the inside out. The 787 was the first example of their garbage - - even though I like the plane, it had a lot of issues.
    
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  - HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Mergers of this type usually have one corporate culture win out over the other. In this case, Boeing’s corporate culture lost out and with it, their safety culture.
    
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- 4am@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This is the result of capitalism. That’s all you needed to say.
  
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  - helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You can have capitalism and still hold corporations responsible for gross negligence.
    
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Fermion@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM

Interviewer: This airplane that was involved in the incident off Western Oregon this week…

Senator Collins: The one the door plug fell off?

Interviewer: Yeah.

Senator Collins: Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

Interviewer: Well, how was it un-typical?

Senator Collins: Well there are a lot of these airplanes going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that 737 max 9’s aren’t safe.

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Senator Collins: Well, some of them are built so that the door plug doesn’t fall off at all.

Interviewer: Wasn’t this built so that the door plug wouldn’t fall off?

Senator Collins: Well, obviously not.

Interviewer: How do you know?

Senator Collins: Well, because the door plug fell off at 20,000 feet and all the air spilled out. It’s a bit of a giveaway. I’d just like to make the point that that is not normal.

Interviewer: Well what sort of engineering standards are these 737 MAX 9’s built to?

Senator Collins: Oh, very rigorous aerospace engineering standards.

Interviewer: What sort of thing?

Senator Collins: Well, the door plug’s not supposed to fall off for a start.

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Interviewer: So the allegations that they’re just designed to carry as many passengers as possible no matter the consequences, I mean that’s ludicrous isn’t it?

Senator Collins: Absolutely ludicrous, these are very very strong vessels.

Interviewer: So what happened in this case?

Senator Collins: Well, the door fell off in this case by all means, but it’s very unusual.

Interviewer: But Senator Collins, why did the door plug fall off?

Senator Collins: Well air hit it.

Interviewer: Air hit it?

Senator Collins: Air hit the plane.

Interviewer: Is that unusual?

Senator Collins: Oh yeah. At altitude? Chance in a million!

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- brettvitaz@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I was completely prepared to believe that this was real.
  
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  - Fermion@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah reality and satire are getting close enough that I almost wonder if I should add a disclaimer that’s more obvious than the video link.
    
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- OADINC@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I love this, thanks for making this.
  
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Australis13@fedia.io ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Multiple news articles are reporting that this aircraft had its post-production certification only two months ago. For a problem of this magnitude to develop in such a short time is very disconcerting.

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- goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  @Australis13 @HowRu68 "Fuselage" is misleading here. Reports are that it was an exit door plug, which are installed as "blanking plates" in extra exit rows that aren't used in particular seat configurations.
  This suggests it was improperly installed.
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  - Australis13@fedia.io ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That is better than a fuselage failure, but still disturbing if you're correct - surely there are checks for exit doir plugs since it would be at higher risk of failure.
    
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  - HowRu68@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    exit door plug, which are installed as “blanking plates”.
    
    Do you have some more info? I can’t find any new detailed info and I’m no airplane mechanic.Afaik, blanking plates are usually cosmetic, and the problem occured due to cabin pressure loss. Also, the plane was supposedly certified, recently.
    
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  - sndrtj@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Whether or not it was a plug, at the time of the incident this piece its role was basically that of a portion of fuselage.
    
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- flatpandisk@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Holy heck if this is true.
  
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- grayman@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This article says cert in Nov, entered service in Dec, and had 145 flights. This was #146.
  
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kerrigan778@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Just to be clear, US domestic, major carrier flying is still staggeringly safe compared to essentially all other means of travel. The NTSB is not messing around and Boeing will have a lot to explain and answer for and the issue will be corrected.

Even in this exceptional case, nobody was injured.

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- PHLAK@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thank you. This needs to be further up in the comments
  
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nicetriangle@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Jesus christ the Max has been a clownshow of one problem after another

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TimeSquirrel@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The entire world around you that you take for granted is built down to a price. Barely anybody makes things to be good, most make things to make money. Beware when putting trust in human-created technology.

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- buffalobuffalo@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s why I only buy ant-created technology.
  
  –sent from my antPhone
  
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Yewb@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Eshitification hitting aerospace

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autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:

Alaska Airlines grounded its fleet of Boeing 737 Max 9 aircraft on Friday after a flight operated by the airline made an emergency landing at Portland International Airport in Oregon that evening because of a midair pressure problem that passengers said blew out a chunk of the fuselage.

As yellow oxygen masks dangled above their heads, a powerful wind tore through a gaping hole that showed the night sky and the city lights below.

Her friend Elizabeth Le, 20, said she had also heard “an extremely loud pop.” When she looked up, she saw a large hole on the wall of the plane about two or three rows away, she said.

In 2018, Lion Air Flight 610, a 737 Max 8, crashed into the ocean off the coast of Indonesia, killing all 189 passengers and crew members.

Less than five months later in 2019, Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crashed shortly after leaving Ethiopia’s capital, Addis Ababa, killing all 157 people on board.

In 2021, the company agreed to a $2.5 billion settlement with the Justice Department, resolving a criminal charge that Boeing conspired to defraud the agency.

The original article contains 946 words, the summary contains 187 words. Saved 80%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I love it when the passengers are spilling the tea, before Boeing’s lawyers can get to them and attempt to smother their words with money. By the time the NHTSA gets to interview passengers, they’ve “calmed down”, it seems. I don’t know if that’s good for screw ups of this magnitude. Hurrah for a plane of pissed off, uninjured survivors! God bless them.

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- kerrigan778@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  For the record, you mean the NTSB, NHTSA is for highway safety.
  
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  - verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes, thank you for that.
    
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cestvrai@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
archive.is/YsTla

I’m not comfortable flying on new Boeing planes.

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- Aatube@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Protips:
  
  Use archive.today URLs, which automatically redirect to the most appropriate server.
  
  https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean/
  
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- MrJukes@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I flew in one to get home from Christmas vacation. The seat was literally the most uncomfortable airplane seat I ever sat in. It was like sitting on a concrete bench. I’m going to need to start bringing a seat cushion…
  
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crispy_kilt@feddit.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
smug airbus noises

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