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• AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is no such thing as a benevolent publically traded company.

  For all intents and purposes, they are restricted from it.

  Any “charity” is an investment in PR Marketing AND a tax break. They spend more advertising what they “donated” than they gave to the charity. That’s not charity, it’s a transaction.

  It didn’t used to be this way everywhere prior to the Reagan/Welch fire sale, the happiness of customers and employees still had some sway, but today, Private shareholders now demand and get litigious if companies aren’t maximizing greed/return/metastasis at any and all expense. Burn the commons if it’ll get you an extra nickel, shareholders expect maximum reutrn. It is their job to do anything they can get away with to give their greedy shareholders ever moooooooooaaaaaaar for doing nothing.

  And sorry, no, I don’t respect capital investment return. It’s not labor and you probably got it by exploiting a lot people if you have a considerable amount under this system.

  And it’s destroying our society, civilization in general, and even the very air we all COMMUN-ally breathe.

  I guess we hate the idea of cooperating so much as a species so much, we’d rather suffocate.

  Carry on.

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• dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s a very important distinction between AOSP, and the Android that’s ultimately shipped on most devices.

  As the article says, they make a colossal amount of money from GMS, PlayStore cuts, and other things. That doesn’t mean that you can’t pull AOSP from the core repository, and get it to work on something. It’ll just be crippled by the lack of apps/store frontend, and a lot of the proprietary features that go on Pixel devices, for example.

  Through licensing, they are required to disclose any changes they made to the kernel, but that’s the extent of it

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• Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Would Androids be “useless” without google apps? I really don’t think so. Sure, less convenient, but GrapheneOS exists and is doing stellar. We have also known for a while this stuff is heavily subsidized by carriers. Thats why you have locked versions of phones and the like.

  It is scummy. But this isn’t even close to the worst of what Google does. We can also take Android for ourselves and already have (GrapheneOS, as mentioned). I love Android, but I am unsure how beneficial these big tech giants are becoming.

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  • lemmyvore@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are a couple if services that would be complicated to replace. Notifications is one, the app store is the other. Is complicated because it’s not just about having a replacement, it’s about having a replacement with a very large capacity and secured, curated etc. None of the fully open projects has to deal with an audience of hundreds of millions.

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    • shortwavesurfer@monero.town ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      UnifiedPush allows you to choose the server to connect to (so you could run your own). The problem is that few apps support it. I only know of Element and tusky. The app store can be replaced by Aurora Store and F-droid

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  • Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Would Androids be “useless” without google apps?

    Fire tablets already proved this. They don’t use Google apps, they have their own app store and their own push. And they sold tons of them. All of this can be done and Android isn’t “useless” without it. It’s just harder.

    I love Android, but I am unsure how beneficial these big tech giants are becoming.

    The problem becomes that you kind of don’t have a choice. Sure someone else can stand up their own OS/push/store, but unfortunately their monopoly of sorts ends up useful in these cases because it means literally everyone develops against it. You can get your own store working, but it’s only as popular as the number of developers who choose to support it. If you fragment the stores, you make them less useful, so by nature they kinda need to be a monopoly.

    I just wish it ended up differently such that the behemoth store was owned by someone different than the manufacturer themselves.

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    • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you fragment the stores, you make them less useful, so by nature they kinda need to be a monopoly.

      They don’t. It’s platforms vs protocols again. Having an open protocol would fix this, think APT PPAs as a model. You could have a store frontend where you can control which sources you accept applications from.

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  • Crozekiel@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My biggest hurdle is honestly that GrapheneOS only supports Pixel phones... I had one once and hated it and honestly don't know how much of that was because of google's android or the phone itself and am reluctant to buy a new pixel phone to try GrapheneOS and find out I still hate the hardware. I've had a much better "out of the box" experience with Samsung phones (and love that my current one has an sd card slot and headphone jack - but I know that's pretty much non-existent on new phones) but am finding they are so locked down and closed off by Samsung you can't really put anything else on it and have it work properly as far as I can tell.

    It's time for a new phone, and I'm honestly not sure what to do... The easy route seems like getting a pixel and putting GrapheneOS on it before doing anything else, but I just don't super trust that the hardware isn't going to drive me nuts...

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• fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is this really a revelation to anyone? Obviously Google (a for profit company) makes money off of it or they wouldn’t do it.

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• MargotRobbie@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So, this week, we are talking about deGoogling on !android@lemmy.world.

  lemmy.world/post/9772354

  You guys are very welcome to join in the conversation.

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• anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yeah so? Can people not monetize open source now?

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• Stoney_Logica1@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Open-source ≠ non-profit

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• Jaysyn@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Open source doesn't mean free. It means the source code is unencumbered or only slightly encumbered by IP protections.

  Being able to make money from open source isn't inherently a bad thing.

  Google being an Ad monopoly is a bad thing however.

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  • 4realz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yh but isn’t open source meant to be like ‘non-profit’, just asking.

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When you permit redistribution then you don’t make money monopolizing it, but you can still make money via donations or being paid before you create it.

      The term “open source” was created so business folk could talk about the advantages of sharing source code without the political values of the earlier term “free software” (software freedom).

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• kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Android is absolutely proprietary, AOSP is open source. ASOP makes no money, Android does. In a perfect world OEMs would ship AOSP but they don’t.

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  • ExLisper@linux.community ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They don’t because android licensing says that if you ship a phone with AOSP google will not sell you license for android to ship on other phones. Most people want google services so you either aim for the bigger market or smaller but not both. This should be changing in EU though.

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• cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Butbutbut itsfree

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  • 4realz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But is it really?

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    • cheese_greater@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sometimes, in fact I’d daresay most times, it is what comes free that costs us the most

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• drahardja@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The open secret of Open Source is that successful projects are largely the playground of capitalists. Who has the time to develop and maintain a whole mobile OS with all of the services people have come to expect, for no compensation? Surely the money flows in from interested parties who can then use the software to their advantage.

  Much of the fundamental pieces of iOS and macOS is open source too. Darwin/XNU are open-source, but no one is under the impression that any of this effort is to benefit anyone other than Apple. Sure, Darwin-based alternative OSes exist, but let’s not kid ourselves that they are anything but curiosities, waiting to be derailed by Apple when they get too large.

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  • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Open Source labor has unintentionally been the largest transfer of wealth produced by laborers to the capitalist class in human history.

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A lot of open source projects use permissive licenses which lets companies just take the code and incorporate it into proprietary software. Other projects use less permissive licenses that legally compel those who use the code and redistribute the software to share their changes. For some reason many coders don’t do that. I’ve read comments that try to rationalize the choice as being “more free” for their users. That’s actually true, but unfortunately that largely includes the freedom to deny other’s any of the freedom you granted when they use the code.

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  • 4realz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wooh. Interesting, had no idea (about the iOS thing), thanks for sharing.

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• BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  No one it’s forced to use Google services, you can opt for AOSP or get a nearly degoogled Android vía ADB.

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  • 4realz@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But 99% of people don’t know that.

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    • BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Let’s keep saying it loud until that change.

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• danielfgom@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can charge for FOSS.(Free Open Source Software). The “fee” stands for “freedom”. It preserves the users right to freely inspect the code, modify it, re-use it and even sell it on unmodified or modified.

  But you certainly can charge for it.

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• aniki@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really wish there were alternative’s to cellphones. I have a data-only sim, I just don’t have a device portable enough to put it into.

  I ordered a Clockwork Pi Dev kit in September, and it could take months before that gets delivered, and outside of that, I am at a loss as to what else could be useful.

  How is the pinephone lately?

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• PatFussy@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I would like to see the sources for the numbers they are throwing up.

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