How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)

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• voidMainVoid@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, that really puts things in perspective.

  At Microsoft, this strategy was called “embrace, extend, extinguish”, but it’s important to realize that it isn’t a practice that’s exclusive to Microsoft.

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  • punseye@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is Facebook/Meta attempting something similar by making Threads compatible with Mastodon?

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    • shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes.

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• Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Interesting. I really hope we can grow Lemmy while not losing its identity.

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  • Boozilla@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s frustrating how many non-joiners are completely turned off by the part where you hunt for an instance to join. They act like it’s super confusing and scary (when in fact it’s ‘super easy, barely an inconvenience’).

    Meanwhile these same people will scour the internet looking for a recipe or bootleg movie or whatever.

    It’s really frustrating when you remember what a huge PITA it is to get your account going on reddit. Sure, the first part is easy enough, it’s just registering on the site. But then you find you can’t do jack shit because you don’t have enough karma and every sub you visit has 10,000 arbitrary byzantine rules to deal with because the mods got picked on in high school.

    Lemmy is actually EASIER than reddit. But here we are.

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    • Sanctus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It really is:

      choose any general instance
      browse All and subscribe

      Its that easy to get started. You can always make a new account later if you decide you don’t like your instance because accounts don’t matter.

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    • shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      THERE ARE TOOLS:

      • Lemmyverse.net Community Explorer
      • Fediverse Observer Instance List
      • GitHub user maltfield’s curated list
      • Feddit.de’s Community Browser

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    • JoShmoe@ani.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Using a single search engine with hand holding is not the same as assuming you found the right site, a compatible app and then connecting them.

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    • Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Personnaly I can understand how it can seem difficult for not so geeky people.

      It’s not difficult, but scary for normal people.

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• silentdon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I made this exact same argument using XMPP as an example and got downvoted because “XMPP is still alive”

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• kpw@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Mom said it was my turn to repost this. Downvoted.

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• FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So please correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t defederation two ways, like if my instance (lemm.ee) defederates from threads, doesn’t threads not see any lemmy posts anymore.

  Assuming im not horribly wrong (and even if I am at least we won’t be able to interact with threads users) what’s the problem if we don’t see content.

  And don’t get me wrong I’m 100% against threads federating and I feel like I’m missing something but what’s the problem when defederation is a tool?

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  • gullible@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If A, B, and C are federated and A defederates B and B does not defederate A, then it would look like this. A>B=C

    A cannot see B, B can see A through C, and C can interact with both. Comment federation when B comments on A can be a bit spotty, from what I’ve seen.

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    • Risk@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      As far as I understand, this isn’t quite right (unless it’s changed recently).

      If A defeds B, then A no longer sends new posts to B, accepts comments from B users, or receives new posts from B. Any comments from B users on A’s old posts (made before defederation) are no longer acknowledged by A.

      I think A users can still interact with B’s posts, but then I haven’t seen any beehaw users in forever. So perhaps not?

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    • FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah that makes sense thanks

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t understand how Google’s shit with XMPP killed XMPP. XMPP is still a thing, and nobody was beholden to be consistent with whatever Google was doing behind closed doors with it.

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