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[Facebook] Messenger is finally getting end-to-end encryption by default - The Verge
Submitted 11 months ago by ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/6/23991501/facebook-messenger-default-end-to-end-encryption-meta
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tsonfeir@lemm.ee 11 months ago
iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’s end-to-end-to-end encryption.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Well WhatsApp already has it
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Moxie helped WhatsApp integrate the Signal protocol for e2ee, but I dont trust thatt they never implemented any backdoors in their protocol after Moxie was done helping them.
IMO, just use Signal anyways. Fuck Meta
LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuck facebook
GaimDS@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I don’t believe it for a second ngl 🫠
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I believe it, but only as a cost saving measure. By enabling e2ee they can wiggle out of having to deal with warrants and the government. It’s about reducing the burden on their data retention and reporting teams.
BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 11 months ago
I don't believe there's ever been an instance of E2E Messenger texts being given to law enforcement, whereas there are plenty of instances where Facebook has provided law enforcement with non-encrypted messages after being served a warrant.
Believe what you want, but ignoring the legal liability from blatantly lying like that, there's precisely zero evidence that Messenger's encryption is compromised.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The encryption doesn’t have to be compromised when their app does the message scanning before encrypting.
Technically it’s still E2EE
yildo@kbin.social 11 months ago
Is it going to be like Whatsapp end-to-end encryption where they just rolled out a 4-digit pincode for "backups" on their servers as the third end?
ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It sounds like it, although it looks like it’s a 6-digit pin instead from the image in the article.
There’s also this additional info directly from Facebook’s blog post about all this:
When your chats are upgraded, you will be prompted to set up a recovery method, such as a PIN, so you can restore your messages if you lose, change or add a device.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 months ago
WhatsApp is using the Signal protocol for E2EE chats
NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Is your issue that it’s 4 digits, or something else?
ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Personally I’m about as willing to trust this as WhatsApp’s end-to-end encryption, given Meta/Facebook’s involvement, but thought it was worth keeping folks here apprised of the situation in the corporate space.
BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 11 months ago
Has WhatsApp's encryption ever been shown to not be trustworthy?
Facebook has had to provide law enforcement with FB Messenger texts before after being served a warrant. Are you saying this has also happened with WhatsApp, even though that should be impossible? That's a pretty big claim, so I'd love to see your evidence.
ElectroVagrant@lemmy.world 11 months ago
To my knowledge, it hasn’t, but that’s not the main point of my comment so much as expressing my distrust of the parent company. In that respect, no, I’m not aiming to make a claim that Meta/Facebook have had to disclose messages from WhatsApp to law enforcement and essentially undermine its end-to-end-encryption.
Nevertheless, I think it’s reasonable and fair to be suspicious of Meta/Facebook given its history of questionable actions concerning people’s data. They’re in the business of using people’s data for marketing/advertising purposes, not safeguarding it, after all.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
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It’s Facebook
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It’s closed source
Zero trust from me, not touching any of that
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Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
So Facebook, the company that reviews your private messages ( money.com/facebook-reviews-private-messages/ ) will let you encrypt your messages to other messenger users (That it also monitors) so that a third party can’t get that data without paying them first?
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I mean if its not encrypted, that could only ever be double-speak. If they say its e2ee, I’m sure they’re still hoovering metadata but thats a strong claim that requires rigorous implementation thats going to be tested equally rigorously. Still think people should delete the app tho
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Rigorous? Not really. The decryption takes place client side in-app, and they simply process it before it hits the display. Just because it’s encrypted in transit doesn’t mean fb doesn’t have ita greasy paws all over it.
jacktherippah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ah yes, we do end to end encryption bro! Trust me bro!
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 11 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Meta is rolling out end-to-end encryption for one-on-one chats and calls on Messenger, finally fulfilling a promise that’s been in the works for quite awhile.
“Our engineers, cryptographers, designers, policy experts and product managers have worked tirelessly to rebuild Messenger features from the ground up.”
According to Crisan, you won’t sacrifice Messenger features when using encrypted chats, so you’ll still be able to use things like themes and custom reactions.
“I believe the future of communication will increasingly shift to private, encrypted services where people can be confident what they say to each other stays secure and their messages and content won’t stick around forever,” he wrote in a Facebook post.
Last year, the company drew headlines when a 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother faced criminal charges for performing an illegal abortion after police obtained their Messenger chat history.
Anti-encryption advocates say that the technology makes it harder to find bad actors on messaging apps like WhatsApp, which is already encrypted by default.
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heygooberman@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Great! But, let’s remember this is Facebook after all, so… 🤷♂️
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
…they’ll skim the metadata after client-side decryption while on its way to presentation?
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Hell, why stop at Metadata? The app can see all the data before encrypting and sending