Yet most users in public rooms seem to be either bridged from Telegram or Discord. They're not counting those users too, right?
Decentralized Matrix messaging network says it now has 115M users
Submitted 1 year ago by fne8w2ah@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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jabberati@social.anoxinon.de 1 year ago
u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 year ago
Matrix misrepresenting its users base… By counting users that ever connected once, test accounts, spam accounts, bot accounts, bridged accounts, single ever used nicks… as a marketing strategy to give an illusion of relevance… that would be a first! /s
VO0RHAMER@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can someone explain to me why some communities do their communication using something like Matrix? I’m a member of some open source/ tech channels on Matrix that I am somewhat interested in or need suppport from. Every time I check my app I have line 1k unread messages. Like, does anyone have the time to read all that? Besides trying to find if a question I have has already been answered is pretty cumbersome.
That doesn’t mean I don’t think Matrix is great, but it just doesn’t seem like the best fit for that application
Black616Angel@feddit.de 1 year ago
It’s the same with discord.
Too many communities use discord (or matrix) instead of a real, searchable forum with topics and threads.
bassomitron@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Discord is cancer for having any meaningful discussions in larger communities. I don’t understand the appeal outside of casual chatting or asking a quick question that might get noticed and responded to during busy chat floods.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Few layers to this
The reason to use a discord/matrix is the same reason to use social media. You aren’t going to read and engage with every single message. You are going to pop back in, respond to something that seems interesting, and then go on with your life.
From a support perspective? It is no different than message boards. You have a few knowledgeable (possibly paid) individuals and then you rely on The Community to help debug a lot of it.
VO0RHAMER@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah I guess, but because it’s so linear all the discussions are running through each other and messy. So if someone asked a question I’m interested in I then have to read a whole lot of messages to see if maybe someone said something relevant about it.
Also, the messages are not indexed by search engines, which has its advantages, but for a tech/ support channel it doesn’t make much sense.
Rolder@reddthat.com 1 year ago
First I’m hearing about it
wombatula@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Yeah seems really weird that a service with 2/3rds or more of the users than Discord is completely unknown to me or any of my fellas on the group discord when I asked them.
Can’t tell if I am falling out of touch, the service is aimed at a completely different demographic than me, or these numbers are bullshit.
skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
A lot of IRC communities migrated, and it’s pretty much the go to option now if you want live communications for your project or org, but don’t want something proprietary. It’s a pretty good replacement for Teams or Slack.
mojo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m going to assume the bridged users count as well, but a lot of it is going to be private organizations.
Element is used by entities where safety of communications is critical, like NATO, the United Nations, the US Department of Defense, the German Armed Forces, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the UK Ministry of Defense, and the French Government.
synicalx1@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
It’s used by a lot by organisations who want an alternative to Slack/Teams. Have a look at the client list for Element, arguably the biggest Matrix client/platform - element.io
And as someone else mentioned there’s also a huge influx of IRC folks especially in the last year.
registrert@lemmy.sambands.net 1 year ago
I think they’re aimed at very different demographics. In my experience, Discord is full of people who call themselves server admins when they moderate a group while Matrix-admins is actually self-hosting their own servers.
ghandi9@lemmy.meg.li 1 year ago
I have been running my own server for a few years now. I would describe it more as an alternative for What’s App or Signal than an alternative to discord. I think it’s more used in a professional/and or government setting for organisations who need to run their own services.
Also, Matrix is just the protocol behind it and there are quite a few different clients for it, the most popular one is element. Lemmy.world also has a link to their Matrix instance.
can@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Although many clients use the Matrix protocol, the foundation suggests new users pick up the ElementX app, which incorporates all the latest features and reflects what Matrix 2.0 can achieve.
The Element X is a stripped-down messenger app built based on the standard Element but completely rewritten for performance.
Intetesting, I’ll give it a try.
mojo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Element X is faster but extremely barebones, definitely stick to regular Element for now
kambusha@feddit.ch 1 year ago
Don’t install “Element X” as it’s their beta app. They already have released a normal one called just “Element” from same company. Element X doesn’t have any way to sign up, so it’ll just be super confusing.
u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 year ago
The whole thing is beta anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
can@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’ve already tried Element and I barely use matrix so I doubt I’d miss the extra features Element X is lacking right now.
Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I tried the app but it doesn’t even have a way to register an account. Nor any directions in doing so. I went to matrix.org, nothing there either. I had to Google it. Which led me to app.element.io. So I tried to register and it failed. I’ll give it another year to develop and see how things are going.
nx2@feddit.de 1 year ago
Matrix is great as a discord alternative, I’d just wish it wouldn’t light my Server on fire every time I open element. Like I can live stream 4K to multiple people over that thing, but reading messages takes 30 seconds of fan screaming?
sir_reginald@lemmy.world 1 year ago
try XMPP, much lighter on resources.
tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk 1 year ago
It still has the issue that joining a popular channel can bury a server for a couple of hours whilst it downloads the entire history since it was created (hillariously trying to connect to thousands of servers that no longer exist… the error log was… impressive).
The new protocol announced on here recently but synapse is stull running the old protocol with a proxy in front and the proxy just means clients can log off whilst it’s updating, it doesn’t fix the issue.
It’s probably fine if you don’t federate it, but I could just use my IRC server for that…
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 year ago
That is why I prefer XMPP. Three users, eats 25 mb RAM.
jabberati@social.anoxinon.de 1 year ago
@nx2 @fne8w2ah Have you considered hosting a lightweight XMPP server and accessing Matrix through a bridge? https://aria-net.org/SitePages/Portal/Bridges.aspx
XMPP is the internet standard anyways, not sure why Matrix is necessary. Hopefully they become standard compliant soon. Venture capital startups reinventing internet standards in incompatible and inefficient ways is not helping.
u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 year ago
Don’t ever bring this to the people in charge or you might be told “sorry for that” “but now it’s been fixed, deployed any week now” “you are a liar, this has never been true” and “it doesn’t really matter for the general case” either in the same post or few responses apart. Matrix has been in a permanent state of unstable mess, and the leadership disingenuous attitude made me lose hope that this will ever change. More people should start reading through the fanfare and superlative blog posts, which, admittedly is the thing they do the best and much better than the other projects out there.