Submitted 2 days ago by violet08@lemmy.today to [deleted]
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“The UN wasn’t founded to take us to Heaven, but to save us from Hell”
The UN is a place to meet, discuss differences and work out solutions. That’s it. Without it, the most trivial of conflicts can easily spin out of control. As world history has shown, and 20th century history most of all.
Not that OP has give that much though, yet here we are.
Ah, yes, whatever would we do if nobody was stopping international conflicts from getting out of control? If the UN werent there to stop them, we might have the most-heavily-armed nation in the history of humanity actively funding genocide by a client state (with the actual diplomats saying their goal was to start literal Armageddon), kidnapping heads of state, assassinating heads of state, and suborning the second-most-nuke-filled country’s annexation of another country by lifting embargoes! Man, could you imagine if the headquarters of the United Nations were in THAT country, and everybody just… Did nothing? Man, what a crazy world we would live in.
Again, the UN only has the power its memberstates give it. The UN ‘doing nothing’ means its memberstates don’t want something done.
Simple as that. The UN is not a state, it has no own money, no army, no economy. It’s a platform for global discussion and decision making. That’s it.
If you wanna blame people for bad things happening, blame the people doing the bad things.
And for some reason the UN does not fucking about what its supposed to care, AS long AS Its not white people dying in a conflict.
Anyone that makes this argument fundamentally misunderstands what the purpose of the UN is and as such should not offer any opinions on it
It’s 2026 and people still don’t understand what the UN is. It is not a police force punishing countries. If it was no country would want to be a member. It’s a forum of discuss for countries so they have a place to argue instead of war. It’s quite good in that, still of course psychos will always start wars.
Ayo non horny post.
But “the UN, Un-Nazi’d the world.”
And as we can see, there ar no nazis in the world.
(I like the UN, but they really ar kinda useless…)
It’s a quote from Idiocracy.
But are you a nepo kid with massive generational wealth?
grte@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
The UN is a diplomatic structure that exists to give state’s representatives a place to gather and talk. It’s not a world government. If it had been created with the intention of being one, no one would have signed on.
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Exactly. The UN is NOT a world government and we need to stop expecting it to act as one. That was never the intention of the UN.
That being said, a lot of people talk about the necessity for the “rule of law,” but there cannot be the rule of law without some kind of government with the authority to enact and ENFORCE laws. If nations are not willing to sign on to something like that, we cannot have the rule of law. Instead we will have the rule of whichever country has the largest, most powerful military and/or economic influence. I know a lot of Americans are fine with that arrangement because that position is currently occupied by the US, and has been for more than half a century, but the US might not always occupy that role. How would you feel about this arrangement if China, for instance, were the world’s hegemon instead of the US?
Capybara_mdp@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Its got to start somewhere, we have to agree on something, or its going to get a lot hotter in a lot of horrific ways. I hate the hair splitting, the “yes, but what abouts”- things are getting bad out there and it has to stop. There are 190 other countries that are putting up with this, isn’t that enough to enforce something??
violet08@lemmy.today 2 days ago
The term “democratic” does a lot of heavy lifting, given that the five permanent members of the UN Security Council can veto any substantive resolution.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
there is only one instance of the word “democratic” and it’s you saying it. He didn’t edit his post. Why are you so hell bent against the UN?
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
For a “place to gather and talk” they sure do use a lot of money and resources. Maybe they should switch to remote work lol
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 2 days ago
The UN budget for 2025 was $3.7 billion.
ungeneva.org/…/general-assembly-approves-372-bill…
For comparison, global chewing gum sales in 2025 were $48.68 billion
www.statista.com/topics/1841/chewing-gum/
Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Trump’s “Board of Peace” is intended as basically official world police and several countries have signed up for it because they want to actively enforce “peace” towards anyone they disagree with.
The UN will never succeed in anything useful unless their resolutions carry economic or military weight.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
To justify and “legalize” imperialism and the capitalist world system more like.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 1 day ago
? The soviet Union was a veto member no?