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If if the subtext of america has always been government as 'Donald Trump' imposes, where did liberals go wrong?

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Submitted ⁨⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

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  • buttmasterflex@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    When all of the Civil War generals walked free instead of standing trial and being executed for treason. When the era of Reconstruction was allowed to be ripped away and ground into nothing. When minorities were openly lynched and the perpetrators went unpunished. When, and when, and when….

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think the simplest way to explain it is the way I see it liberalism has been operating at least for as long I have been alive on a sort of dead reckoning because it has no functioning moral compass.

    Maybe it never did, I don’t know we can have a lot of debates over that and one up one another with how cynical we are about it but the point is that it is indisputable that for the last several decades liberalism has been operating on a sort of dead reckoning where whether something is acceptable or not purely has to do with how normalized it has been by the pre-existing power structure and status quo. All navigation is dependent upon an established record and each further advancement is charted only within the context of previous movements.

    Conservatives shot the compass a long time ago and believe compasses are too woke to use by the way in case anyone gets confused about what side I am on here.

    The difference I see with “progressives” and what I would call a genuine leftist is at least the attempt to construct a somewhat consistent moral compass and build coalitions based on a shared sense of a moral compass that is RATIONALLY connected to reality through science, healthcare and history.

    Someone like Joe Biden spent his whole entire career sticking his finger into the wind and attempting to chart the center of balance in public opinion, a chameleon by design to the trends and fervors of the day whether that be draconian drug policy draconian housing policy draconian crime policy…

    On the other hand Bernie Sanders has been saying the same damn thing, his politics have always been an extension of his moral compass even when they weren’t considered popular by mainstream political media. This isn’t to say Bernie Sanders is perfect or some shining example but there is an undeniably fundamental difference in political ideology between Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden even though they come from roughly similar political eras. They come from different genetic lineages of political ideology, and in my opinion Joe Biden’s one can’t die off quick enough.

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  • yesman@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In so many ways ‘Donald Trump’ is a victory of liberalism. Arrogance and incompetence flourish in societies where the beneficiaries of great wealth and power are two or three generations removed from the people who were clever enough to steal it in the first place.

    And America has been such a place of abundance for the highborn for so long. Their blatant criminality is tolerated and normal. Is it any wonder that people who’ve never faced meaningful consequences have trouble with making big decisions?

    I think it’s interesting to contrast Germany’s fall into Fascism coming from humiliating loss and economic ruin, to America’s slide from a position of global dominance and unimaginable wealth. Maybe second time as farce?

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  • frisbird@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Liberalism is internally contradictory. Liberals didn’t so much “go wrong” as much as Liberalism successfully solved a contradiction (feudal society facing rapid economic growth) with another contradiction (universal human rights constrained by private property).

    Liberalism was doomed to this fate from the beginning. Honestly the failure of liberals is that they didn’t abandon liberalism and adopt communism sooner.

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    • Steve@communick.news ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think you’re using a different kind of Liberal here. You sound like econonic liberal, while OP sounds like social liberal.

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      • frisbird@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s not a real thing. Liberalism is a political philosophy. It has a meaning. What Americans call liberals are just liberals. And what Americans call conservatives are also liberals.$

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  • disregardable@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s the thing. Liberals didn’t go wrong. Liberals won in the marketplace of ideas and achieved mainstream dominance. It’s just that, liberals won so hard that the only way the wrong could win is by lying and cheating, because they’re objectively wrong. So, naturally vicious people naturally backlash viciously.

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    • foodandart@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is what I’ve seen in action since Reagan in 1980…

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  • IWW4@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They didn’t vote.

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