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COVID's "new normal" = safety hysteria, digital dependence and "expert" obedience?

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s not a shower thought, that’s crackhead “thoughts”

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    • Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Maybe if you have to do work early and are severely sleep deprived?

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    • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Well then what concepts did it introduce, which extend into modern society? I see no arguments against my question, indicating a quest for discussion. Calling someone a crackhead doesn’t contribute to the discussion it seems, who would’ve thought?

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      • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It is customary to first lay out your own arguments and thoughts if you want to start a discussion.

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      • Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You’re not even contributing to your own discussion, you just spewed talking points to start shit lol

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  • rowinxavier@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    First, the term hysteria is from a fairly mysoginist root, so maybe consider whether that is the best word here.

    Second, for all the 8 million plus people killed by COVID it wasn’t hysteria, they died. They didn’t have the sniffles, they died. Dead. Not alive. There isn’t really a lot that is worse as an outcome from a respiratory infection, however we have that too! Tonnes of people who didn’t die have long covid symptoms, strokes, heart attacks, various thrombotic events, loss of function, and additional complications in the rest of their medical issues. On top of that plenty of people had parents, siblings, children, friends, or other people important to them die or become disabled.

    Third, digital dependence? I mean, we were moving in this direction for decades before covid. It used to be nobody had phones at all. My partners grandparents remembered the house down the block getting a telephone and went over to see it. They didn’t have electricity. That was less than a century ago. The ramp up of technology over the last century has been insane and accelerating that whole time. In 2004 the coolest phone was a Motorola RAZR flip phone with a terrible 0.3 megapixel camera but a stunning 176x220 pixel display. In 2024 a Pixel 9 has a 1080x2424 display and a 50, 48, and 10.5 megapixel camera. The comparison of a rifle and a spear feels appropriate. We were already heading towards more technology in our lives, it just because super noticeable during lockdowns as it accelerated a little more for a couple of years and it was more obvious.

    Fourth, why the quotes around expert? There is such a thing as an expert. Someone who knows more than me doesn’t have to know everything to keep knowing more than me. They can be wrong and learn new things and change their mind all while remaining more informed than I am. In fact, being an expert in a field means doing that constantly. Being at the frontier of knowledge means holding your beliefs more tentatively as you are more likely to change your understanding than an uninformed average person. The fact that they didn’t know how good masks would be at the start isn’t an indictment of their expert status, it is their first guess given previous knowledge. What they did after that is what makes them experts, namely changing their minds when new evidence came about.

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    • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I fully agree with you comment. I can understand you’ve interpreted it that way, and have since updated the body to clarify this. Regarding technology having increasing since its inception: that may be true, however I would argue the COVID pandemic having expanded its influence drastically, also in areas previously unexplored. Need an appointment at the barber? Got to plan that using a digital calendar on their website. Need some groceries? Oh, we can now just DoorDash. Have a job interview? Have a Zoom call instead of coming over in person. And I could go on, and on, and on. And regarding your last point, perhaps my issue lies more with the enforcement of expert opinions, and them being presented as ultimate truths, disregarding people’s own opinions. Although I do agree genuine experts to be valuable, there’s also a lot that pretend to be that, while having a conflict of interest.

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  • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think that screen time increased for everyone during the lockdown era, and a lot of people probably continue to use their devices more than they used to. But your safety hysteria and expert obedience comments come across as a paranoid, mentally ill conspiracy theorist. Do you want to expand on those thoughts?

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    • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think COVID gave big-tech a rather HUGE boost, as it restricted non-tech businesses, while actively promoting tech as the substitute. As for safety hysteria, I want to clarify I don’t believe COVID itself was pure hysteria, although I do believe policy makers overstepped, and in turn caused excessive harm to youth for instance. Instead I’d argue the hysteria for COVID surrounding safety, extends into modern society, and is applied to subjects like social media bans for instance. And finally for the “expert” obedience part, or rather a technocratic approach over a democratic one, can be seen in politics being “advised” by “experts” rather than by democratic will, and the excessive presence of “experts” at talk-shows for instance, and the most obvious being social media censorship surrounding COVID skepticism, as outright “misinformation”. Even though a lot of it is purely nonsensical speculation of course.

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      • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Uh oh, it’s caught in a loop.

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  • klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I mean, in the US we didn’t even pay attention to the experts past the first, what, year of COVID? And that year we basically eradicated the seasonal flu, which killed ~26,000 people in the 19-20 flu season in the US.That was the last time we even considered that an expert could exist.

    As for safety hysteria, I don’t even see masks in public anymore. Most of the time I go to a store I’m the only one wearing one, while people are dying, and being permanently disabled by COVID.

    Digital dependence is something that was happening before COVID. I think the only bill I’ve paid using a check instead of paying online was my rent, and that’s because they charged extra to pay online. It definitely increased screen time for a lot of people, but the dependence isn’t set by individuals; it’s set by the fact that paying by check is becoming more difficult, and a lot of businesses are going online-only.

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    • PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If that is true, that might reinforce the concept of valuing expert opinions, over the that of the democracy; which makes it a technocracy instead. I think we’ve all realized many, if not all governments are completely incompetent, and have been for quite a while. But this doesn’t mean a government can appoint unelected “experts” (which literally happened in The Netherlands) to steer the ship, with a complete disregard for democratic will. And if one wanted to manufacture consent, it couldn’t be easier than doing it during a deathly pandemic, with all eyes focused on centralized press convergences and active repression of contradicting narratives. Maybe we should outsource politics entirely to digital systems, which surveil the public constantly, to poll their interests in real time; what could possibly go wrong?

      It’s not just about the masks: (commercial) buildings still utilize occupancy level counters and air quality monitors, required during COVID in order to stay operational. What you see happening here, is that these sensors are increasingly supplying data to “smart”: air filters, heating/cooling systems, lighting, room/workplace reservation, etc.; leading them to become entire “smart buildings”. This monitoring “for safety” is also extended with regulation of online platforms, or the physical private and public sphere (by use of cameras or alternative sensors). Sure “safety” has always been a bite-sized argument, but I’d argue the COVID pandemic having substantiated it.

      I would argue the COVID pandemic having expanded its influence drastically, also in areas previously unexplored. Need an appointment at the barber? Got to plan that using a digital calendar on their website. Need some groceries? Oh, we can now just DoorDash. Have a job interview? Have a Zoom call instead of coming over in person.

      COVID regulations directly required “contactless payment”, at least here; so that might be a direct consequence of the pandemic.

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Covid? What year is this?

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    • starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Covid is still a huge problem. It’s causing brain damage, it’s causing heart damage, it’s causing long covid and it’s killing shit tons of people.

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      • remon@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Right, but no one really cares anymore.

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