Some communities there are literally calling for the annihilation of Ukraine
So we’re gonna keep defederating everytime a member of an instance acts crazy? Until every instance deferates from each other? This is getting absurd.
Why is this instance federated with HexBear.net?
Submitted 1 year ago by kameecoding@programming.dev to meta@programming.dev
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mark@programming.dev 1 year ago
lukini@beehaw.org 1 year ago
It’s not a single user. The instance is a safe haven for tankies. This thread is 90% them supporting the CCP. Quite a bit of it is pretty trolly, too. I’m sure you’ll find a large number of their users support Russia over Ukraine.
Snowpix@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The whole instance is known for brigading enmasse to shut down real discussion. They got defederated from lemmy.ca for doing this.
natecox@programming.dev 1 year ago
I said it on the exploding-heads thread and I’ll say it here too: my “all” feed would be a much nicer place without hexbear showing up in it.
AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Exploding-heads is just the right wing version of hexbear, literally a different flavor of the same cancer.
cwagner@lemmy.cwagner.me 1 year ago
The difference for me (single user instance, defederated from hexbear and not the nazis yet), is that I’ve never seen the Nazis comment on any posts, but I saw the hexbear fascists comment en masse on tons of posts.
willya@lemmyf.uk 1 year ago
The better question is why can’t you moderate yourself and block what you don’t want to see?
kameecoding@programming.dev 1 year ago
it showed up on my feed against my will and I dislike spreading fascism and genocide apologism.
calavera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
How this was shown to you against your will? You had blocked it and it was shown anyway? How would lemmy know what’s every users will?
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They’ve been stirring shit across lemmydom.
But, they haven’t hit everywhere, nor have they hit everywhere equally.
This means that instances where the defederation policy is reactive will not, and should not defederate until and unless users from there cause problems.
Have you checked the federation/defederation policy for your instance? If not, you should. If it is a reactive policy, then it comes down to you deciding to stay and use the block feature to curate your feed, stay and attempt to change that policy (good luck), find other instances to use, or use apps with instance filtering features.
It is my personal policy to not have a single account. I decentralize as a user. I recommend this to anyone and everyone in the fediverse. This makes it much easier to shift around as needed to avoid problematic things like this. If I don’t like the federation policy of a given instance leading to a bad actor instance causing trouble, I just don’t use that instance for a while, and eventually the disruptive place will get defederated for cause. Easy peasy.
I strongly suggest using an app with instance blocking. Connect, sync, and summit all have it (though I’m not certain how bulletproof each is). This means that no matter where you go, the users from the problem instances are filtered out. This only becomes a problem if you moderate C/s with decent traffic. If that’s the case, it is usually wise to set up a different app without filters to do mod work from (currently there’s only sync and summit that have mod tools that I’m aware of).
I’m less up to date on browser or PWA filtration options.
But, be aware, defederation is meant to be the last choice in most instances. Defederating without a good reason defeats the purpose of federation. Many admins believe in that principle, so this kind of post may not amount to anything at all.
I agree that hexbear is a problem. Because I’m decentralized as a user, I have seen the users from there stirring shit everywhere they target. And that is why they need attention as regards defederation, not having stupid opinions. We, as a general group of fediverse denizens, really need to be careful with calls for defederation solely on the basis of stupidity.
kameecoding@programming.dev 1 year ago
I feel like calling it “stupid opinions” is a bit of a downplay on what they are, which is in essence a far-right, pro russia (and hence pro fascism) echo chamber masquerading as leftists.
I also don’t get your comment you are basically saying I can’t do anything about it, bar maybe creating this post which is exactly what I did, if this instance remains federated with hexbear I will just delete this account and make another one on an instance that’s less tolerant of these things
Radium@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
To be fair I think hexbear is actually far left instead of far right but your other points still stand . They look remarkably similar
roguetrick@kbin.social 1 year ago
This is likely the only thread on programming.dev that will attract them. They don't have much cause for class war here.
cacheson@kbin.social 1 year ago
Subclasses rise up! No longer will we tolerate the tyranny of the superclass!
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 year ago
We shall inherit EVERYTHING!
crazyroostereye@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
People should still have the right to see that content. If you don’t like it then block it but defederating deprives other who want to see it.
kameecoding@programming.dev 1 year ago
why should fascists be given a platform to spread their idea?
crazyroostereye@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Everyone should be allowed to be given a Platform including Fascists. If you Defederate them they get looked in there Bubble and you reaffirm their believes, meaning that there aren’t any people anymore to challenge their Believes. Which is just going to make them more extreme.
Xariphon@kbin.social 1 year ago
Fascist content should not be seen.
dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
You want this to become Voat?
hypelightfly@kbin.social 1 year ago
defederating deprives other who want to see it.
No, it doesn't. Go to hexbear.net and you can see it.
astral_avocado@programming.dev 1 year ago
I’m onboard with not defederating but holy shit these people are shitting themselves all over the place on worldnews@lemmy.world. they’re way worse than the typical lemmygrad.ml fare.
lemann@lemmy.one 1 year ago
User in OP’s screenshot is from Lemmygrad
astral_avocado@programming.dev 1 year ago
I’m talking about my direct experiences with these people.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 year ago
As much as I think they’re at best deluded hippy kids who unashamedly gobble down Kremlin propaganda like it’s crack, as long as they’re not being a nuisance to communities hosted on your server, is there a real reason to defed?
If they start answering “How do I control an ESCPOS receipt printer through Javascript?” with “Nuke Kyiv”, then maybe do so.
Although I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
Slimy_hog@programming.dev 1 year ago
I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
I long for the day.
zephyreks@programming.dev 1 year ago
Precisely. It should be up to the community host to dictate defederation policy.
fry@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Although I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.
And keywords in posts and comments.
I would love to be able to browse on a computer or switch app but I’d lose all my filters.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
Just to be fair, that user isn’t even a hexbear member.
Onyxation@burggit.moe 1 year ago
All this “defederation” makes me lose respect for be Lemmy.
Silverseren@kbin.social 1 year ago
Because there are a lot of tankie apologists elsewhere. That or those free speech absolutists type that think deplatforming fascists and bigots is censorship and cancel culture or some such nonsense like that.
choroalp@programming.dev 1 year ago
ı wish users can block instances on their side.
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Some apps let you do that (Liftoff, others).
AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 1 year ago
kbin allows you to filter instances
squashkin@exploding-heads.com 1 year ago
it’s so you can have a conversation with such people about why you think it’s bad for them to say that?
Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
You can filter them out with ublock origin on desktop and Sync for mobile. It’s the easiest way to get rid of Hexbear for you outside of migrating to a new instance, and it’s a lot easier than trying to get your instance admins to defederate
kameecoding@programming.dev 1 year ago
you should probably read my whole post definitely the edit part, also Lemmy has built in functionality to block communites you don’t need ublock.
Ategon@programming.dev 1 year ago
Currently the stance for this instance is defederation as a last resort so everyone can participate in the coding chats. If a community breaks our rules it will be removed from the instance and things such as a politics communities will be hidden from the all feed once we can get that coded in since lemmy itself isnt capable of doing it very well yet (its a feature but only through the backend and painful to do in bulk)