Submitted 1 day ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
Not promoting violence but does it not say that they have to identify before arrest? Or is a civilians rights are now thrown out the window?
The real answer is we don’t know. Precedent doesn’t exist anymore. The SCotUS has been ignored on 9-0 decisions. I’d broadcast: shoot ICE on sight; but I haven’t gotten the opportunity, and truthfully I can’t say what I would do in the moment.
You could be in the right to shoot an unlawful attacker. Although you will also likely get shot yourself that way.
I mean you can test it and see…
You can be right
and you can be dead right
That’s what authoritarianism is
Your civil state laws are still intact depending on the state, but a lot of this is the logical extremist conclusion of the patriot act and qualified immunity precedence, which is to say police have been elevated to a degree higher than that of a citizen with less responsibility than a citizen at the same time. Lazy politicians love the executive and we’ve had nothing but lazy majority politicians for a long time. It will not be easy to purge everyone that needs to go in order to fix this shitpile.
You could be in the right. You could be legally correct. You could even survive. But who is there to enforce the law? Where are the consequences?
ICE is not above the law but when the people charged with upholding the law and investigating abuses are the ones encouraging it, what can you do?
Calling them fascists and authoritarians didn’t come from nowhere
All evidence so far indicates ICE is above the law.
I think this is one of these long tails for rebuilding. Clearly we can’t count on national leaders to uphold the law. The problem is either the massive buildup of ice or the entire lack of ethics and respect for the law and their fellow humans among the workers.
Perhaps if we establish a strong traditionalism of professionalism, respect for the law, strong ethics, then next time around they won’t be so susceptible to corruption. Probably need a strong union as well, so if there are any good ones, they have support to stand up for what is right.
Welcome to fascism: laws for thee, not for me.
That’s pretty much it.
Non-uniformed police that don't identify are not police.
As such you can call (uniformed) police on them.
If they say they know that ICE are operating in that area, ask how you can know that the people you're reporting are actually ICE and not impostors that turned up after the real ICE left.
I’m waiting for the ICE imposters who start looting two blocks away from actual ICE activity and just drive off
For those with no personal morals, limits to action are only enforced by consequences.
In the US, there are currently no consequences for immoral or criminal activity by the government in power or their minions (e.g. ICE). Thus, the only limit to their actions is their own morality; and they have been actively encouraging/recruiting support from those with absolutely no moral compass.
So no, there are no limits until consequences stsrt happening.
Arguably ICE got all that extra funding because they were most willing to use immoral and illegal actions
Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 day ago
As long as the fascists are in power, they are functionally above the law. We’ve seen them murder in broad daylight and rape without punishment.
Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 1 day ago
The murder, yes we have seen. The rape though? Not heard that one
Small_Quasar@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There’s a video of one of the stormtroopers taking a handcuffed woman into a portable toilet. I’m assuming that’s what they’re talking about.