What's the security situation when opening a jellyfin server up for casting?

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• diegantobass@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Dumb question: why does everyone is so terribly afraid of opening stuff to the internet ? What’s the scenario?

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  • 4am@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Allowing external access to your services means that any misconfiguration or bugs can be exploited to gain control of your machine(s).

    Once that happens they can be fucked with, your data stolen, your resources co-opted for someone else’s use, etc. and often times it can be made to look as though whatever bad shit it’s doing is your doing.

    So, understand your security posture. You can’t be too careful. Taking over weak or exposed machines is a global industry now.

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    • planish@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But you can, in fact, be too careful. Availability is one arm of the security triad.

      If whatever complex configuration you have set up to avoid exposing something to the Internet is incompatible with something and what you wanted to do can’t be done, or if you look and see that setting all that up would be too hard and don’t bother to expose the service at all, then your security posture is incorrect because your service is just as unavailable as if someone else broke it.

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    • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      At the same time, taking over exposed machines has never been more difficult.

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  • rollerbang@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It starts with being used in a botnet. Then your data can be either erased, corrupted or encrypted against ransom.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i’ve set up servers with static ips in datacenter settings before. the way you know you’re online is usually that your cpu activity jumps a few percent from all the incoming ssh traffic from russia and china. i don’t want to risk anything happening to my home server.

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    • GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      so fun to look through the ssh log and see hundreds of attempts…

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  • aichan@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Missconfigurations allowing bots and shit hacking you. Overblown paranoia mostly if you just take some precautions

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    • diegantobass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Okay thanks for mentionning overblown paranoia, that’s what I have.

      What kind of exploitable server misconfigurations are we talking about here?? Brute forcing won’t work because fail2ban, right? I’m a noob and deep down I’m convinced that my homeserver is compromised and has beenpart of a bitcoin mining farm for years… Yet, not a single proof…

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  • LiveLM@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m paranoid dude, I don’t need the whole judging my awful taste in TV shows!

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    • gdog05@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I set up Jellyseer so my friends can request whatever. Just blame your full collection of My Little Pony and Gilmore girls on that one friend from Finland (unless you’re in Finland, and then use Greece).

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    • irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      lol

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  • Danitos@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The first thing I opened to the internet was a SSH server. 28 minutes after opening it, I started getting constant entry attempts.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s not just opening stuff to the internet, it’s opening stuff to the internet without any authentication in this case. If you don’t know how that’s bad…….

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    • diegantobass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah sorry I missed the part where it has no authentification whatsoever, that’s just open bar.

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• dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As long as your jellyfin server is properly configured behind a reverse proxy, letting it be accessible publicly on the internet is fine.

  Obviously everyone has their own threat model, but it’s not that big of a threat in this case (personally I don’t care).

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  • KlavKalashj@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can you elaborate on ‘properly configured’?

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    • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The default configuration for Jellyfin is good. I mostly mean as long as you follow best practices in general you should be fine (keep your system and jellyfin updated, have some type of firewall in place, make sure you aren’t accidentally exposing jellyfins port directly to the internet).

      jellyfin.org/docs/general/…/reverse-proxy/

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  • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This. People are overly paranoid nowadays.

    I have had SSH open directly to my main PC for 15 years and never had any issues except spam logins.

    Same with :443 to my nginx.

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    • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree, there is a lot of paranoia, but honestly that’s probably a good thing, because the people who are paranoid might not know that much, so a good amount of paranoia is healthy there.

      The chance of being exploited is very low for me to care too too much. Why spend countless days locking up my entire infra when there’s a very low low chance anyone could exploit me in the first place (obviously get your setup to a good standard, I don’t recommend not reading up on anything and exposing server, etc. Just for me, I don’t need to over do it).

      That being said, personally I have ssh behind a vpn because that’s a very important service that only I am accessing anyways, so it makes sense for me to disable that attack vector.

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• spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  not that any of this is doable in the near future, since i’m behind cgnat and won’t get my colocated bounce server up until spring.

  Doesn’t IPV6 allow direct external access even when cgnat is in use for IPV4?

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  • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, if you have IPv6, you can open a port in the firewall and have external access. Whatever you are accessing it from must have IPv6 as well though.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    that’s also a possibility, but i’m going to have to whine to my isp.

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• droolio@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This video addresses many of the concerns of hosting stuff in public, and details a way (and some tools) to do it relatively securely. (There’s always a risk there’ll be a zero-day vulnerability in a web application like Jellyfin, but you can mitigate against them if you use the right strategies/tools, and you’re vigilant enough.)

  Since you’re on cgnat, you can set up Pangolin on a VPS, or Tailscale–>rinetd–>Tailscale tunnel, also on a VPS.

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  • diegantobass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is great thanks for this video

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  • fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i like pangolin.

    lol ive been saying that too much lately

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i’ll worry about the nat traversal when i get my bouncer back up, but it will probably be less full-featured than pangolin. previously i just used a reverse ssh setup but that was a bit too rudimentary.

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    • droolio@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yea I haven’t tried Pangolin myself - looks a bit bloated for my tastes, but I have tried rinetd across Tailscale and it worked brilliantly (very simple conf file), and I’ve done reverse ssh before (using autossh) which was a bit fiddly. frp does look promising though, just as a VPS<->home bridge.

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• IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not spesifically helpful with your cgnat-situation, but my jellyfin runs on a isolated network and it’s just directly exposed to the internet via named reverse proxy in order to share the library with family and friends. Should someone get access to that they can obviously use the VM for nefarious purposes, but it’s a known risk for me and the attacker would need to breach trough either my VLAN isolation or out of the virtual environment to my proxmox host if they wanted to access my actually valuable data.

  Sure, there’s bots trying every imaginable password combination and such, but in my scenario even if they could breach either the jellyfin server or reverse proxy it’s not that big of a deal. Obviously I keep the setup updated and do my best to keep bad actors out. but as I mentioned, breach for that one server would not be the end of the world.

  With cgnat there’s not much else to do than to run a VPN where server is somewhere publicly accessible and route traffic via that tunnel (obviously running a VPN-client on jellyfin-server or otherwise routing traffic to it via VPN). Any common VPN-server should do the trick.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i like how everyone got hooked on the cgnat thing when i gave the actual solution in the main post. but yeah there’s always the option of not doing anything until i see issues.

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• nublug@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  cgnat is doable with a dynamic dns service. you sign up free at duckdns, freedns, or desec, set up the subdomain you want (example.dedyn.io), install or host in a container a small ddns tool that will periodically (5 min typically) check what your current ip is and update your dns record with that dns service automatically with an api. some routers even have a dynamic dns setting so you can do it without a separate install.

  as far as security, you’ll at a minimum want a long, unique password for any jellyfin accounts, and you should place it behind a reverse proxy like nginx, nginx proxy manager for a gui, caddy, or traeffik for some docker automagic fuckery i still don’t understand. i use nginx proxy manager, set up a wildcard *.example.dedyn.io certificate and force ssl on each service i’m forwarding.

  you can get fanicer and have an authentication layer self hosted as well like authelia or authentik, but beware that apparently mobile apps and smart tv apps for jellyfin do not play nice because they use the same http port as web access and do not have the ability to pop open a web portal for a secondary auth and will not work with these yet. so it’s a good extra layer and 2fa sso addition but only if you use the webgui jellyfin and don’t rely on an app, which considering you’re asking about casting is probably not your use case.

  what else you can do is set up a crowdsec or fail2ban service that will read logs from either the reverse proxy or jellyfin itself and ban ips thru your host firewall that fail to log in to help prevent bots from brute forcing in.

  it’s not perfect but with a reverse proxy, ip banning tool, and strong, long passwords on jellyfin it should be relatively ok.

  however it would probably be most secure to setup an openvpn or tailscale to vpn to your host and have a definitely secure link to jellyfin from everywhere. i don’t use these myself so i don’t know about limitations this way such as mobile app or smart tv app compatibility, though. and if you want to share with other users it comes with its own security considerations of letting others have a vpn into your host.

  hope some of this helps, also there’s a cloudflare tunnel thing you can use instead of those dynamic dns services for domain redirect to ip behind cgnat, but i haven’t used it either and don’t know what all it entails.

  good luck!

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    my registrar provides ddns, but how does that help with cgnat when thousands of people potentially have the same address?

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    • nublug@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      oh dang, i thought i saw docs and comments saying ddns would help behind a cgnat too, must be mistaken. it’s just for isps who give semi-static ips that change, not full cgnat. after some quick googling it looks like tailscale or other vpn or cloudflare tunnel are your only options.

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• Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My workaround will be to get a Chromecast or anything castable, a travel router (probably gli.net), setup a VPN and use that.

  Any other device that’s outside of my home is unable to open a connection due to authelia intercepting the connection and the client unable to understand that.

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• fightforlife@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  An Idea I am also using for other things where I do not want to use a VPN:

  1. Setup a reverse proxy (e.g. traefik)
  2. Setup an oauth middleware for everything (forward Auth)
  3. Create rules to exempt very specific request based on IP, headers, etc… from the middleware.

  In the casting use case you have to find a request and check if there is any parameter that you can use to safely whitelist the request. Ofcourse someone could get behind this and fake the request to match the whitelist. But without knowing that there is even a whitelist no one will really try

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• frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A VPN is the best option. You should be able to split-tunnel your jellyfin traffic and still see the device on the LAN.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i was sort of asking the opposite question to this answer, i think.

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• illusionist@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  How often do you read that a jellyfin server was compromised?

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  • droolio@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean, anything with a web server can have vulnerabilities. Just look at the LastPass breach where hackers got in through an employee’s exposed Plex library.

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    • illusionist@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, software can always be vulnerable.

      Plex was running on his private computer, not a dedicated server, right? Windows? His version was 75 versions behind the current version at the time. How could the malware escape the server’s/plex’ sandbox? With a keylogger? Why wasn’t he using a password software? This isn’t the best example for your point

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  • frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not every compromise is reported, or even detected.

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    • illusionist@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If it’s nor detected, reported and noone gets hurt, what’s the problem?

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hackers don’t report every time they hack someone, nor how they did it.

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