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YSK that abortion is indeed legal in the US, and that it takes a simple majority to pass a bill. 60 votes (sometimes 66) are needed sometimes on procedural points.
Maybe don’t write YSK posts when YDK.
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Submitted 3 weeks ago by Azyal@lemmy.world to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
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Syun@retrolemmy.com 3 weeks ago
samc@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
It takes 60 to pass a cloture motion to actually vote on a bill. This is necessary if somebody in opposition to the bill intends to filibuster. In the modern senate, one can filibuster simply by expressing an intention to filibuster. As such its often the case that a bill with any strong opposition in the senate does require a three fifths majority in favour to pass
HubertManne@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Yes. Which is why I came to say the same as syun. It takes a simple majority with exceptions. Same with the house if they want to override the presidential veto or if its a constitutional amendment. There are different bars for different things but its a simple majority to simply pass things in both houses.
Syun@retrolemmy.com 3 weeks ago
And? I know all that. OP clearly didnt. And none of that contradicts what I said.
Eiri@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
The bad part isn’t the number of votes. That’s barely relevant.
The bad part is what happens when the budget bill doesn’t pass. There are two valid possibilities:
- The previous year’s budget is provisionally renewed as-is until an agreement is reached
- The non-passing of the bill acts as a vote of no confidence against the government and elections are held. In the mean time, the previous year’s budget is provisionally renewed as-is.
Shutting down funding for government services is an incredibly dumb way to handle it.
dhork@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s even dumber, because it’s not about the budget, it’s about the allocation of funds to certain departments and the authorization to spend that money, which comes after the budget. Some other countries separate budgets and appropriations like this, but those other countries put in those safeguards you mention, because they want government agencies to function even if the politicians are having a snit.
In the US, thanks to “small-government” Republicans, we make it extremely difficult to spend any money without explicit authorization. And since we also have no concept of a no-confidence vote, politicians ca basically hold government funding hostage if they want. The politicians that are doing this right now know they won’t have to face another election until next November at the earliest. (Senators serve six year terms, and it’s telling that all of the Democrats who cotes for cloture on this bill are either retiring or not up for election next year…)
HubertManne@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
its even dumber because their is a third thing the debt ceiling.
oxjox@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
You Should Know:
OP’s account is only 2 hours old and the claim they have made on ‘YouShouldKnow’ is wrong.
This post should be removed for misinformation.thoughtco.com/the-supermajority-vote-in-us-govern…
When Is a Supermajority Vote Required?
By far, most measures considered by the U.S. Congress as part of the legislative process require only a simple majority vote for passage. However, some actions, like impeaching presidents or amending the Constitution, are considered so important that they require a supermajority vote.- Impeaching
- Expelling a Member of Congress
- Overriding a Veto
- Suspending the Rules
- Ending a Filibuster
- Amending the Constitution
- Calling a Constitutional Convention
- Ratifying an Amendment
- Ratifying a Treaty
- Postponing a Treaty
- Repatriating Rebels
- Removing a President from Office
en.wikipedia.org/…/Government_shutdowns_in_the_Un…
Government shutdowns in the United States
The US Government has shut down 11 times in the past 45 years for a total of 132 days. Seven times for six days or less. Once for 21 days under Bill Clinton in 1995-96 (total of 27 days under Clinton). Once for 16 days under Barack Obama in 2013. Three times for a total of 79 days under Donal Trump (so far).britannica.com/…/US-abortion-rights-by-state-2236…
U.S. Abortion Rights by State
Legal with no gestation limit or Legal before viability: 23 states
Full ban: 13 statestal@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
This is why the abortion is legal in Canada and not legal in the USA
There is no federal law against abortion in the US. There are some states that have laws at the state level against abortion, but the federal legislature isn’t relevant to that.
nake@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There is no federal law against abortion in the US.
The point was there is no federal law allowing abortion either.
Despite the fact the majority of americans support it.
tal@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
The point was there is no federal law allowing abortion either.
Things are legal by default.
If you want to have a law that restricts states from passing law against something, then it goes in the Constitution. The Senate doesn’t amend the Constitution – a three-quarters supermajority of states do.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
OP you not really correct. The cloture requirement is that 60 have to vote to stop debate. Bills pass with a simple majority.
Why we in the US haven’t legalized abortion is because we are stoooopid.
blarghly@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Most Americans support legal abortion, and there is no federal law against it. Abortion is legal in the united states in most of the places where people live. The reason we don’t have a federal enshrined right to abortion is because we have significant problems in election districting, voting systems, party legal structures, and campaign financing. Also because both parties like the issue staying in limbo as a useful political chess piece.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Countries with proportional representation pass laws that require big majorities all the time. Trying to identify the one issue that prevents sensible laws seems like a fool’s errand to me.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
It’s an abuse of a rule meant for something else. There is no reason it has to be 60%
The rule comes from a bit of Senate procedure where you vote for “cloture”. What this is supposed to be is “we’re done discussing things, and now we should move on to voting on the legislation”. It’s not supposed to be a vote for or against the legislation itself, but rather just moving along in the process.
Over the years, it got abused more and more to mean “a vote for cloture is a vote in favor of the legislation”. Around the time Obama started his first term, it fully meant that.
The Senate can simply change the rule to require majority vote. It would require a simple majority vote to do so. There’s a lot of fossilized politicians on both sides who don’t want that. They know that America tends to be swingy with its votes; the party out of power now will tend to be the party back in power next cycle. They want the power to stop legislation when the cycle swings against them.
Now, if Republicans in the Senate believed they would have a permanent majority through vote rigging, which is clearly the Administration’s plan, then they should have dropped the filibuster rule like Trump wanted. The fact that the idea was stillborn suggests that congressional Republicans don’t actually think Trump can pull it off, or perhaps that the plan wouldn’t benefit them individually, or they are somehow not in on the plan.
ruuster13@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
americans requires
GTFO
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It was not designed this way. Our Senate is broken.
rbesfe@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
In Canada or Britain, if you can’t pass a budget the government is dissolved. That’s the real reason shutdowns don’t happen
lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Would be useful in the US too IMO
marcos@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In Brazil every expense that is required by law just keeps getting paid, whether there’s a budget or not.
We spent 4 months this year without a budget due to neither house agreeing with each other and none agreeing wit the Executive. Almost nobody noticed, it didn’t even make it into news.