When you attempt to get visas or citizenship status, you usually need legal documents from your home country, but what about dissidents who fled, and their government refuses to issue papers?

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• TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They’re called refugees, and they can claim asylum in a sane country.

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  • Wrufieotnak@feddit.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Can you give me directions where that planet is with the same countries?

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• Apepollo11@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Those cases are different, and are dealt with through your country’s asylum process.

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• A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s called “statelessness” and its a pain in the ass

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  • Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You’re not stateless if you are a citizen of a country. The country you are a citizen of refusing to fulfill its duties doesn’t make you stateless yet.

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• Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  There’s the thing known as white passport, officially “Certificate of identity” or semi-officially “Alien’s passport”. That’s a document that looks just like a passport of a country but has a white cover instead of red, black, green or blue. It means that the country that has issued the white passport proves that the person is who they say they are, and it also tends to mean that that person has a right to reside in that country. It’s much more difficult to travel abroad with a white passport than with an actual passport, but it gets you started. Then, after living somewhere long enough, you can get a new citizenship and get on with your life at last.

  One thing that can be difficult is that to get some other citizenship, many countries require you to get rid of our previous ones first. For example in the Russia you can get rid of your citizenship only by travelling to the Russia and doing all the paperwork there. Which takes about two months. During which time they’ll send you to the front and you’ll die. It depends on the mood of the worker whether you can get a white passport in such a case or not.

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• remon@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’m sure it differs from place to place, but I’ve recently gotten my permanent resident status and I’ve never had to show anything except for my original countries ID card. All other documents that I had to submit were local ones (rental contract, work contract, bank account).

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    When I filed for N-600 (Citizenship Papers), I remember having to get (1) Birth Certificates (was born in mainland China), (2) My Mother’s (who recently naturalized) Birth Cerficates, (3) My parents proof of marriage (I think). All these require the PRC government to be cooperative.

    I can’t remember if we still had them with us here or if my parents asked relatives in China to get those for us (that was 2015, long time ago), but like, imagine if we lost it, and had to get them re-issued, then the PRC government found out I said a thing about Taiwan or something like that (I don’t think I had an opinion about that at the time, but just using it as an example), then they’re like… “you know what, fuck you lol, no papers”. That’d… be awkward…

    But everything turned out fine, I got my papers and legal status.

    I imagine Canada or EU has similar requirement of like your birth certificates?

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    • remon@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I imagine Canada or EU has similar requirement of like your birth certificates?

      Seems Switzerland doesn’t because I’ve never even seen mine.

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