Nvidia and TSMC produce the first Blackwell wafer made in the U.S. — chips still need to be shipped back to Taiwan to complete the final product

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• joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Raw Materials -> America: +Tariffs
  Incomplete chips -> Taiwan: ++Tariffs
  Complete chips -> America: +++Tariffs

  Seems rather wasteful.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is of course drawing lines on a projected globe, rather than straight lines on a round globe. But the reality is not much better—Argentina is almost exactly on the other side of the planet from Thailand. 🫣 Thailand’s antipode is just off the coast of Peru, so very close to Argentina.

      Really, really irresponsible use of resources. Especially if these pears are shipped by sea. Then it’s even worse.

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    • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      imagine how much easier it would be if the world weren’t flat

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    • Tetragrade@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Dumbass shipping route, just tunnel through.

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• Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So, now they get shipped back and forth across the Pacific…twice? Wow. So much “winning”.

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  • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean, if you compare a ton of tropical wood or fruit to a ton of microchips, the value of the latter is so much better, that this is not such a problem. There will still be some logistical overhead even if much of the processes will happen in the USA. These are supply chains more complex than anything in our daily lives.

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  • confuser@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think it could pressure the us to produce more things fully domestically

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    • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If that were possible, they wouldn’t be shipping the back to Taiwan for final processing.

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• SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  FYI, this is an AI specific chip. US manufacturing still has supply issues with low tech, cheap chips .

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  FYI, about half of Nvidia cards are assembled in China. The PCB, cooling, capacitors and voltage regulators are made in China, regardless of assembly location.

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  • jfrnz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most of these components could easily be made elsewhere, albeit at a higher cost.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Meaning China is doing what Lenin wanted to do at some point - to use some basic laws of globalization (then imperialism) to kill its source. Formulated as “they will sell us the rope to hang them”, and didn’t transpire. But, well, Lenin planned for NEP to last till 80s, and then start all the socialist reforms in the society. Then he died. Together with most of those famous Bolsheviks from Soviet movies about the revolution. All from different reasons in a few years.

      In this case rejecting the logistical and power benefits from using Chinese labor and facilities seems impossible as of now for Western economies.

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    • expatriado@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      back when i was doing research for the DoD, we would order the PCBs we designed from an authorized US supplier, and we would assemble them in our reflow oven, cuz China was a no-no. Also, PBS assembly is so automated that probably labor cost isn’t important anymore, but the supply chain benefits of Shenzhen still win from the logistics perspective

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• ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Driving up the cost

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• melfie@lemy.lol ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t know much about manufacturing chips, but if this is just an incremental step towards Taiwan not being a single point of failure and there will be sustained progress in this direction, then this seems like a worthwhile achievement. Obviously getting the supply chains in place and fully duplicating the manufacturing capabilities that exist in Taiwan would be quite a complex endeavor that won’t happen overnight (if ever), so incremental progress like this is about what I’d expect.

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• Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  lol. Good luck trying to train American workers to build such microchips. It’s not gonna happen. They won’t work 24 hour a day.

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  • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The US produces a lot of chips, they just aren’t the consumer market leader.

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• Toes@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So just the easy part lmao

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• cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  reason why amd is superior

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