Its total bullshit to place a dystopian organisation so close to the center of a utopian society. It basically calls the whole society into question.
Michelle Yeoh Admits “We Could Have Done Better” With ‘Star Trek: Section 31’
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ragas@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
Damage@feddit.it 19 hours ago
You could have done something else.
The cool thing about Section 31 was that it was ambiguous, did it really exist? Was it just one crazy guy? Then Discovery blew that up, and we could have just tried to forget it, but no, let’s make a movie about it.ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 12 hours ago
it was ambiguous, did it really exist? Was it just one crazy guy?
This was never credible, and was never how it was presented in DS9.
Even in “Inquisition”, Sloan had two other guys standing next to him, and an entire starship at his disposal. Starfleet Command covered for him at the end - something that was noted by the DS9 senior staff.
In subsequent episodes, Admiral Ross acknowledged their existence, and Bashir worked out what he believed to be the bare minimum number of operatives required to create the morphogenic virus (73).
Later, we saw them working for the United Earth Starfleet in the ENT era.
The only suggestion that it’s just “once crazy guy” comes from Koval, who then helps Sloan fake his death and is revealed to be a S31 asset in the very next scene.
So no, that’s not really something Discovery changed. People have had to wilfully ignore the DS9 episodes to buy into that theory.
thessnake03@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
In ENT it’s very heavy handed that Malcom uses to work for section 31, and they really want him back. Big part of a story arc in the last season.
sanzky@beehaw.org 10 hours ago
they also play a big role in Into Darkness (not that anyone cares about that one…)
observantTrapezium@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
Understatement of the century
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 21 hours ago
the characters that we built and the rapport that we had with each other was amazing
I have to admit, I thought Alok was a pretty interesting character. Sam Richardson was also very charismatic as Quasi, though he didn’t have much to do. And Young Garrett was okay, too.
I wouldn’t mind seeing any of those characters pop up again, with a better story.
MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 12 hours ago
It’s a good distinction to make that the characters were much more interesting than the story we saw.
I looked at a list of characters and I rank 4/7 of them as interesting, but sadly half of those were killed off :(
Space Hitler: 👎
Space Common: 👎
Quasi: 👍
Zeph 🪦: 👍
Garrett: 👍
Fuzz 🪦: 👎
Melle 🪦: 👍
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 11 hours ago
I obviously think Georgiou is a more interesting character than you do, but other than that, I agree with this list.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Did she write it?
I don’t fault the lead actress for a stupid movie. She still did a good job acting in it. I like her and I like her character. She probably did the best with what she was given. Her having to be the face of the apology is an insult, and those who should be apologizing are hiding behind her.
Unless she wrote it, that is.
Also.
Discovery isn’t what Trekkers want. Sure, it’s cool… but OG Discovery predates Kirk, and the last couple seasons are set so far in the future that we really don’t care. Discovery doesn’t speak to TOS fans (though it tried to with that badly shoehorned Spock connection) and it doesn’t speak to 90s Trekkers, either. I liked it, but it wasn’t what Trekkers want.
Look, TNG got a sequel series (Picard), Voyager got a sequel series (Prodigy)… what we want is for DS9 to get one. And since the Dominion War is over and done with, something with Section 31 would be fine… but that movie wasn’t it.
blueamigafan@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I know it wasnt the greatest thing that’s ever been done under the star trek name, but I do think this could be the thing to get non Trekkies into trek. It was basically a fast and furious / mission impossible movie that happened to be in the star Trek universe. Sometimes something stupid but accessible can get people into a larger franchise. I am also really into Thunderbirds, the old puppet show made in the 60’s it got repeated in the UK in the 90’s and became a huge phenomenon way bigger than the first time it was shown. So inevitably a live action movie was made in the 00’s and it was absolutely awful, however when I have encountered younger fans who are into Thunderbirds they always point to the live action as their first exposure to it which led onto the original show. The only way was up once you got into it.
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 12 hours ago
I think that was definitely the idea. I’m somewhat skeptical that it worked, but it would be cool if it was a gateway movie for someone.
blueamigafan@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Give it time you just never know…
buzz86us@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Let’s cancel a TV show we just shot several episodes of and edit it into a movie!!
ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 3 hours ago
The pivot-to-movie happened well before anything was filmed.
But it does seem like the “pivot” was trying to stuff ten hours of story into a two-hour bag.