‘Don’t call this racist’: row grows over motives behind England flag campaign

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• ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Flags: not racist

  Using flags to create an atmosphere of exclusion: likely racist, definitely xenophobic

  Don’t get me wrong, I love a good flag, and the St George’s cross is a great design (esp. When it doesn’t have “England” written on it) but 90% of the people flying the flags are slow witted flag fuckers who are upset that brown people exist in “their” country.

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  • Denjin@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait until they find out that St George was from Turkey.

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    • monkeyman69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t panic, they never will as it involves reading.

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    • siha@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Not to detract from the point, but I do feel your comment lacks some detail. So I went to Wikipedia to double-check.

      Saint George was born in the Cappadocia province of the Roman Empire, which occupied the same lands as modern central-eastern Turkey.

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• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m from Northern Ireland, we know a fair bit about flags. They’re pretty much always used to mark territory, and make it clear who is welcome and who is not.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t say almost always, unless there are paramilitary flags alongside them. In some places they go up in the summer or if there’s a big royal occasion at another time of year

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• fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Put LGBT flags underneath every England flag.

  If they both stay up, the intention is probably positive, supportive, prideful and welcoming.

  If the LGBT ones get torn down… well, there’s a heavy overlap in the Venn diagram between the homophobes and the racists, so I think you can safely assume they’re racist flags.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seems like a good idea

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• supamanc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The thing is, the flag is not associated with racism and hooliganism because a committee sat down and decided. It’s because racists and hooligans do racist and hooligan shit whilst waving the flag. If you want to save its tarnished image, you need to make the racists and hooligans associating themselves with the flag…

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  • dariusj18@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But then a movement of people not doing that shit while waving the flag would offset the problem, no?

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    • supamanc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well then you get to the shit sandwich analogy - it doesnt matter how little shit there is, or how good the sandwich is, you aint eating it!

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• steeznson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s weird in Scotland where we have “cuddly nationalism”, you see saltires everywhere. My wife is from England and one of the things she remarked on moving up here was how the St George’s Cross would look mental hanging in all the places the saltire is.

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  • MouldyCat@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’ll also see the national flag flying happily in France and Spain. Not everywhere, but it doesn’t have any negative connotation. In Germany however the national flag does have dodgy overtones. It seems to be related to whether your country has anything less than pleasant in its recent history.

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    • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Same with the Swiss, which is funny since they profiteered off every European atrocity whilst coming out smelling like roses

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    • steeznson@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not like Scotland has a flawless track record! Part of the reason why we unified with England was that our experiment being colonialists was an expensive mistake. Managed to make some of that back being involved in the triangular trade route sugar industry.

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• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is normal in Northern Ireland. Lol.

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  • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Where they’re so racist they’re even racist toward each other?

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    • Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Protestant and Catholic are not races.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s good craic

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