Child Safety on Federated Social Media

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨FlyingSquid@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

Not the best news in this report. We need to find ways to do more.

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MyFairJulia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Why would someone downvote this post? We have a problem and it’s in our best interest to fix that.

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- chaogomu@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The report (if you can still find a working link) said that the vast majority of material that they found was drawn and animated, and hosted on one Mastodon instance out of Japan, where that shit is still legal.
  
  Every time that little bit of truth comes up, someone reposts the broken link to the study, screaming about how it's the entire Fediverse riddled with child porn.
  
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  - MyFairJulia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    So basically we had a bad apple that was probably already defederated by everyone else.
    
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  - etrotta@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Here's a link to the report: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb515nd6874/20230724-fediverse-csam-report.pdf
    It is from 2023-07-24, so there's a considerable chance it is not the one you were thinking about?
    
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  - Metal_Zealot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It’s 4Chan’s “9000 Penises” all over again
    
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- shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The study doesn’t compare their findings to any other platform, so we can’t really tell if those numbers are good or bad. They just state the absolute numbers, without really going into to much detail about their searching process. So no, you can’t draw the conclusion that the Fediverse has a CSAM problem, at least not from this study.
  
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- Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Because it's another "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN" hysteria bait post.
  
  They found 112 images of cp in the whole Fediverse. That's a very small number. We're doing pretty good.
  
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  - etrotta@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It is not "in the whole fediverse", it is out of approximately 325,000 posts analyzed over a two day period.
    And that is just for known images that matched the hash.
    
    Quoting the entire paragraph:
    
    Out of approximately 325,000 posts analyzed over a two day period, we detected
    112 instances of known CSAM, as well as 554 instances of content identified as
    sexually explicit with highest confidence by Google SafeSearch in posts that also
    matched hashtags or keywords commonly used by child exploitation communities.
    We also found 713 uses of the top 20 CSAM-related hashtags on the Fediverse
    on posts containing media, as well as 1,217 posts containing no media (the text
    content of which primarily related to off-site CSAM trading or grooming of minors).
    From post metadata, we observed the presence of emerging content categories
    including Computer-Generated CSAM (CG-CSAM) as well as Self-Generated CSAM
    (SG-CSAM).
    
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- godless@latte.isnot.coffee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Because it's talking about a report without linking to any report. That's shouting into the void at best, clickbait at worst.
  
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  - Sentinian@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I was able to click and access the report fine
    
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- fleabomber@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Given new commercial entrants into the Fediverse such as WordPress, Tumblr and Threads, we suggest collaboration among these parties to help bring the trust and safety benefits currently enjoyed by centralized platforms to the wider Fediverse ecosystem.
  
  Because the solution sucks?
  
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- Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Because its literally nothing a normie would read through. And some thought lemmy had bad ui.
  
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shrugal@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Why do they just mention absolute numbers, instead of comparing them with comparable platforms? All they said was that there is CSAM on the Fediverse, but that’s also true for centralized services and the internet as a whole. The important question is whether there is more or less CSAM on the Fediverse, no?

This makes it look very unscientific to me. The Fediverse might have a CSAM problem, but you wouldn’t know it from this study.

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Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Another “SCREAM” for “BAN FEDIVERSE ITS DANGEROUS!!!”

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- Scew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Better ban school too. I hear that’s how kids find drug dealers.
  
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  - DmMacniel@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    And don’t forget to ban Sugar. Because Hitler loves Sugar!
    
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- FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Not at all. Sensible suggestions.
  
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  - Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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Rottcodd@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This isn't science - it's propaganda.

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godless@latte.isnot.coffee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What report?

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- iNeedScissors67@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I can see a link in the title
  
  https://purl.stanford.edu/vb515nd6874
  
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  - Rooki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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blazera@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
basically we dont know what they found, because they just looked up hashtags, and then didnt look at the results for ethics reasons. They dont even say what hashtags they looked through.

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- Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  We do know they only found, what, 112 actual images of CP? That's a very small number. I'd say that paints us in a pretty good light, relatively.
  
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  - dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    112 images out of 325,000 images scanned over two days, is about 0,03% So we are doing pretty well. With more moderation tools we could continue to knock out those sigmas.
    
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  - blazera@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    it says 112 instances of known CSAM. But that's based on their methodology, right, and their methodology is not actually looking at the content, it's looking at hashtags and whether google safesearch thinks it's explicit. Which Im pretty sure doesnt differentiate with what the subject of the explicitness is. It's just gonna try to detect breast or genitals I imagine.
    
    Though they do give a few damning examples of things like actual CP trading, but also that they've been removed.
    
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- bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  There are communities on NSFW Lemmy where people intentionally present as children engaged in sexual abuse scenarios. They’re adults and this is their kink that everyone is supposed to tolerate and pretend is ok.
  
  See defederation drama over the last couple of days. What I’m saying is, the hashtags mean nothing.
  
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  - LexiconDexicon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    They’re adults
    
    then what’s the problem?
    
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  - blazera@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    No, that admin lied about the community
    
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AnonTwo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Is this the same report that was brought up where it was found out Twitter has the exact same issue?

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- Kbin_space_program@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Or that Reddit has had this issue in spades.
  
  Frankly, that the ability for the Fediverse to cut off problem servers is listed as a drawback and not an advantage is in my opinion, wrong.
  
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moistclump@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Abstract:

The Fediverse, a decentralized social network with interconnected spaces that are each independently managed with unique rules and cultural norms, has seen a surge in popularity. Decentralization has many potential advantages for users seeking greater choice and control over their data and social preferences, but it also poses significant challenges for online trust and safety.

In this report, Stanford Internet Observatory researchers examine issues with combating child sexual exploitation on decentralized social media with new findings and recommendations to address the prevalence of child safety issues on the Fediverse.

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yarn@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The suggestions in their direction for future improvement section should be implemented sooner rather than later. There’s no point in growing this platform if it’s going to be left wide open for abuse like it is.

I also think, in lieu of lemmy devs making any improvements, another good solution would be for a third party to prop something up that scrapes every lemmy post and runs it through an automated service for detecting known CSAM. The third party service would be forcing at least one of those future improvements on lemmy, as it exists today. Any known CSAM that’s found would be automatically reported, and if the instance owners can’t deal with it, then they would rightfully have to deal with the consequences of their inactions.

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indigojasper@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
yeahhh the free internet is a bit like a wild west. maybe ain't for children. maybe gotta keep em behind more secure digital walls while they're growing before letting em loose. but still gotta teach em media literacy and safe internet practices and such.

but lbr this isn't gonna stop the more persistent kids

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