Why is youtube suggesting aggressive actions against protestors?

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• SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Presumably because that’s what lots of people are searching for.

  Otoh, Google giving insane suggestions is sort of a meme by itself so who knows what they use?

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  • meldroc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Algorithm’s designed to promote engagement. Getting angry groups screaming and trying to murder people counts as engagement.

    As long as the screaming and arguing drives revenue, they don’t care about the murdering part.

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  • Danterious@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wish people weren’t angry at the protest but instead at the more oppressive forces of society. Also sorta unrelated but what does Otoh mean?

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    • average650@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Otoh= on the other hand

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    • SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Everyone will have their personal perspective on certain protests based on a number of factors.

      A lot of people wanted the BLM riots shut down with lethal force because of the senseless violence and destruction in some cities. Otoh, some people thought they didn’t go far enough. Someone whose city was destroyed would have a different perspective than someone whose city was just fine. People might have different views based on their view of the black community and their relationship with the rest of American society.

      A lot of people thought the trucker convoy in Canada was a just fight against oppression, but many people thought they were just a bunch of antivaxx confederate Nazis and thought the use of any level of violence was justified because they were disrupting people’s lives and they were secretly trying to clone Hitler. There was a broad spectrum of views and they only represented a piece of that spectrum.

      Real politics is usually more complicated than just good vs. evil, it’s really hard having one set of rules that apply equally and equitably to diverse people.

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• ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Google is currently defending itself in the US Supreme Court over a lawsuit that alleges they assisted the terrorist group ISIS in recruiting members after it was found the YouTube algorithm promoted ISIS recruiting videos to young men who later committed a terrorist attack.

  So to answer your question using Google’s argument: they have so many videos that an advanced search feature is required to make the site usable. Their search feature only suggests things that are popular. It’s not their fault ISIS recruitment (or other violent content) videos are popular.

  The counter argument is: Google is curating content by displaying things people didn’t search out themselves. This is direct promotion by Google itself and therefor it should be treated as if they are the publisher of that content. Anyone publishing violent content should be held liable for it.

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  • cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Promoting terrorism increases engagement

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    • Prethoryn@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, except it gets more complicated than that. Google wouldn’t necessarily be promoting it either. As their algorithm looks for popular searches. Terrorism seems to be an overly used word for comparing protests to terrorism.

      As an example, I live in a pretty red state. I would consider my self democrat/liberal in this state. When the George Floyd protests were happening a lot of people in my state were referring to the non-protest raids as terrorism. Despite the fact they will all defend the very clear terrorism on the capital as an attempt to save the U.S.

      Point being you take the word protest and terrorism. You set it side by side as an exaggeration for literally anything half the the country disagrees with and boom you get popular terrorists searches.

      I also don’t think Google isn’t at fault since their algorithm is designed to continue feeding that kind of content and the deeper you go the more ingrained into content you get and the more insane it gets.

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• 0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s because people usually search for that… one of the many reasons why I lost hope in the human race… people getting their kinks on other people getting beaten up or killed… I mean, it just goes to show you how worse we are even than animals.

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  • Danterious@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean I don’t think thats the full story. You should try looking at this interactive website.

    The Evolution of Trust

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    • 0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, this thing works if everyone around you is not an asshole. It doesn’t if everyone is. And even if the copycat or copykitten win in the end, the number of retries is just too tiring, so you just give up and decided to not trust anyone, thus becoming the cheater, same as everyone else.

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  • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If it’s any consolation, it’s only conservatives who delight in the misery of the oppressed. It’s not the normal people among us. Unfortunately, there are a lot of conservatives on the planet at the moment. It will take a lot of work and some open, honest discussions about the dangers of conservatism to cure it.

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    • 0x4E4F@lemmy.rollenspiel.monster ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, I know all that, but I’ve just given up at this point (look my comment above as to why). I’m just too old for this back and forth bullshit till the end of time. And I don’t think things are gonna change any time soon. Unless a global catastrophy plages mankind, nothing is gonna change… like an asteroid impact or something like that. People show their greatest virtues only when faced with grave danger… it’s just how humans are, they don’t do shit about anything unless all of their friends, relatives, family are in immediate danger.

      And even if we avoid this grave danger, things will soon get back to same old, same old. A large chunk of humanity (like over 95%) needs to be wiped out in order for people to take things seriously and shift their mindsets in entirely differemt direction… and even then, there is no guarantee that that will last.

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• blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  https://www.youtube.com/howyoutubeworks/product-features/recommendations/

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  • slicedcheesegremlin@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    oh god that's terrifying

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• elvith@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I guess it’s just often used terms in search?

  Or some kind of text prediction (e.g. simple Markov chains or something more advanced) that just “thinks” that this fits?

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• optimal@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Engagement. Hate promotes engagement and therefore is very profitable

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• db2@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because that’s what drives the lowest common denominator to view ads.

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