Submitted 5 days ago by Klajan@lemmy.zip to 3dprinting@lemmy.world
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I was printing some ABS on my modified Anycubic I3 Mega overnight, when I awoke to this horror of a destroyed glass print bed…
Now the question remains, how to actually fix this? One part is still firmly attached to the Bed and I fear this may destroy the Bed even more.
And I obviously need a new Print bed, but I can’t find the exact replacement, so should I even get a replacement Ultrabase? I saw that there are magnetic PEI beds available, but I am unsure if it is worth the 80-100€ for this.
If you want a cheap solution, just get a mirror in the same dimensions as your bed but I am pretty sure you could find a PEI bed for less than 100 if you keep looking.
To be fair the PEI kit I was looking at is a aluminium baseplate, silicone heater mat, magnetic base & the PEI sheet, so basically a complete replacement of the bed.
since the glass is glued to the heater I was looking at a complete replacement at first.
Oh, that’s not too bad price-wise actually.
Just get the $25 magnetic sheet and PEI plate, and slap them both on there. If you do go the route of a new aluminum bed, you can heat this bed up to 80 or 90C and then peel the heat pad off of it and stick it onto your new bed. I did both these on my old Sidewinder X2 but didn’t notice much benefit to the aluminum bed (the OEM glass bed was slightly warped and concave), so I didn’t find it worth the money to be honest. I think it’s worth trying in stages since you’re not really out any money if you decide the simpler and cheaper solution doesn’t cut it.
To get the part off, put the bed in the freezer overnight.
As others have said, flip glass and continue if possible.
In the future use hairspray / gluestick.
Cheap: Buy magnetic pei on aliexpress, glue on intact backside, continue using. Do the same but also buy New glass to have a flat surface.
I wouldn’t add a new glass sheet + magnetic sheet + PEI sheet on top of the original bed on a bed slinger because this is probably at least twice the weight of stock, which will cause issues when you get it moving back and forth rapidly. Think of how agile a petite individual can be compared to someone the same height who weighs 300lbs.
You might consider a aluminum heat bed with a regular piece of glass on top. Look up heat beds on reprap and see how the diy community does it. They are cheap and easily replaced. I just print on the aluminum with painters tape. Sorry that it fractured like that, it happens. So having the glass glued down is not a good plan.
Yea, I can see that now, It is how it came from the factory.
I could try to seperate the Glass from the aluminum heat bed, though I fear I might bend it in the process. It looks like the MK3 ALU-Heatbed Dual Power frm the reprap Wiki, except it’s 220x220mm.
If I can get the glass off without damaging the Heatbed I could also attach a magnetic PEI Plate to that, not sure if that thin alu plate is a good backing in that case.
It might come loose if you heat the heat bed. At least soften enough to pry it off. The other option would be to finish breaking the glass. Then you could use acetone, or something to remove the glue.
I did exactly that to my i3 Mega to attach the magnetic plate directly to the heat plate. I indeed bend the whole thing in the process, fortunately though I was able to fix it (Z-Probe reports a maximum difference of 0.37 now). Don’t recommend though.
The industrial-grade glue they used is an absolute nightmare. If you choose to go that route definitely get yourself a proper heatgun as well as acetone, a spatula and some safety mask (for the acetone fumes). If you got an oven for tinkering perhaps heating the whole thing up to weaken the glue.
Leaving the glass plate where it is and putting something new on top definitely is way easier. Not sure I’d do this a second time myself (probably not).
That was my idea, as well, but the Glass is glued to the heater, though I have seen a video that shows its possible to remove the glass.
But then the thin aluminum heater seems so flexible, I am not sure if a flexible PEI sheet on top of that would work well…
Mine was also glued to the heat bed when I broke it… I ended up replacing both the glass plate and the heater because trying to separate them wasn’t worth the effort. A PEI sheet should work okay on the thin aluminum as long as the bed is trammed reasonably well and you can use mesh bed leveling. Otherwise, yeah, stick with glass and be sure to use a release layer.
Absolute worst case scenario if you are unable to get a replacement, you can get a pane of glass and either score and cut it yourself (diamond or silicon carbine and a ruler to score, and then either a drop of water on the score lines and snap or put a bit of string soaked in lighter fluid and set it on fire on the score line, once it’s heated dip it in cold water or pour cold water on and it should split along the score).
Use youtube to actually see how it’s done.
Or go to a window maker (or if your hardware stores do it) and ask if they can just cut a pane to size for you.
Thanks, I guess that could be an option. I would just have to find a way how to seperate the heater PCB from the existing glass, it does appear to be glued to it quite strongly
I’m assuming glass printer beds are supposed to be tempered, and just an FYI for you or anyone else attempting the hardware store or score-it-yourself method, the glass you wind up with will not be tempered and will also have exceedingly sharp edges and corners. If you have access to a belt sander with a suitably fine belt you can at least round off the sharp bits.
Untempered glass probably won’t deal with thermal loading very well, either. It might work, and it’ll be cheap, but prepare for disappointment.
Sorry to hear about your print bed. I can’t help you here but posting partly to hear what people think should be done here to replace the print bed in case it ever happens to me too, and partly if there’s any way to prevent this in the future.
Yes this is the first time this has happened, I printed roughly 2kg of abs on this printer already and I never had any problems with too much bed adhesion. But hey, this part didn’t warp a single mm ಠ_ಠ…
I’ve managed to get the rest of the sprint loose, sadly it was already damaged beneath. Image
Since it looks like the glass bee is already lifting by the corners from the heat bed I bet I can remove it pretty easily, but if the bare heater PCB (1.5mm thick) makes a good surface for a magnetic bed I don’t know…
I know nothing about 3d printing. What would happen if you took sandpaper to both sides after cleaning it up and put JB weld on it? If the surface is scratched for the weld to hold I don’t see why it wouldn’t?
Maybe someone else can tell us why it’s a bad idea.
It might work, but you generally want to have a flat surface and it needs to stand up to extended periods of temps up to 110°C and I’m pretty sure this is borosilicate glass
But I also can’t get the glass shards off the printed parts, so this is pretty much a moot point
“J-B Weld can withstand high temperatures up to 500 °F (260 °C) continuously and up to 600 °F (316 °C) for short periods. It is designed for bonding various materials and is resistant to shock, vibration, and temperature fluctuations.”
I’ve used it to put a chunk of engine block back on a motorcycle engine that got ripped off by a drive chain coming off and catching a bolt. Held it from leaks and drove it for a few years after that. I’m not familiar with the glass you use and such, probably best to research first.
Kuinox@lemmy.world 5 days ago
PEI bed are 20€, not 100€.
Just buy a compatible one on amazon or elsewhere.
Klajan@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Well I don’t have any way to mount the PEI bed? This is a glas bed with the heater glued to it, and the mounting screws are integrated into the heater. So I would need to find a way to either seperate the glass from the heating PCB or somhow mount the new bed on top of the exisiting one.
Unless there are cheaper compatbile option I did not find. It is quite hard to find something for this specific printer
fuzzy_tinker@lemmy.world 5 days ago
That’s what they are saying. Buy a PEI plate with a magnetic backing, remove the rest of the abs from your glass build plate and stick the magnetic pad on it. Then the pei goes on top.
I did this as an upgrade to my own printer.