YSK that military members cannot simply defy orders they object to

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• Susaga@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes you can. There might be consequences, but that will always be the case. If obeying orders breaks the law, and disobeying orders breaks the law, then you’re a criminal either way. Might as well do what you agreed to do when you joined the military: risk your life to defend the constitution.

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  • Sineljora@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Risk your life” - yeah, and it’s not even that literally extreme. This isn’t the Imperial Guard.

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Friendly fire is a thing.

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• BertramDitore@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Soldiers take an oath to the constitution, not the president, so all members of the military have the right, and in some cases have the duty, to refuse illegal orders. Source.

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  • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Watch the video, it’s more complicated than that from a legal aspect.

    This guy is on your side, but knows the law backwards and forward on the subject.

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    • Susaga@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If the law disagrees, the law is wrong and should be broken. And if that leads to a punishment, just remember that someone is being ordered to punish you, and they can defy those orders too.

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• FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “I was only following orders” didn’t work so well in Nuremberg.

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• ddplf@szmer.info ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Somebody should show the Nuremberg judges this video

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  • LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s literally brought up in the video. Watch it before commenting.

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    • Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah the guy is a lawyer and former army member himself.

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• MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  They can actually

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• LazerDickMcCheese@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  UCMJ says otherwise. But in practice, I can tell you from experience that the consequences for any kind of refusal will be treated as mutiny and could cost you the rest of your professional life

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• Noerknhar@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You might want to add “U.S.” in the title. In Germany, for example, it’s a bit different (“Remonstrationspflicht”).

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