Submitted 3 weeks ago by vga@sopuli.xyz to technology@lemmy.world
https://paper.wf/alexia/matrix-is-cooked
This article is nonsense. The Foundation was always a front for New Vector and their board is largely made up by New Vector employees. So of course they knew what was going on.
New Vector simply decided that the strategy to make Matrix appear as an open standard was against their business interests and thus left the foundation to fend for itself with obvious consequences.
Knowing it or not, the result is the same, isn’t it?
VC funding destroys everything it touches.
It’s fine if matrix.org goes down the shitter.
The protocol is what’s important.
I think it’d help them a lot to disable new signups on the m.org home server for a while and direct people to some of the other popular options, they spend too much on their own example server imo
Personally have been hosting my own server for me and friends. Cheaper and easier than I expected it to be 🤠
cheap and easy? I tried running it myself and ran into several hurdles, and gave up. How did you host it? VPS? Docker? Bare-metal?
It is a bit counter-intuitive but restricting new signups will not help them much. The way the matrix protocol is designed, i.e. replicating everything on every server, mean that clients connecting to their server have only a minor impact. As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network rooms are replicated on matrix.org their costs will stay high and there isn’t really much they can do about that.
As long as most rooms of the entire matrix network are replicated on the matrix.org homeserver
Is this a dealbreaker for people though?
I find it really frustrating that supporters of Open Protocols appear to live in cognitive dissonance of both wanting to be “used by everyone” and “to be a small gated community”.
You can’t keep money out forever and with that does come influence which I know. But eventually wouldn’t you like to talk to your mother on a protocol you trust, with a client she understands?
Yeah… well, it seems to me that Matrix is potentially there. I mean I could install Element X on my parents’ phones, set it up with some account and be done with it. It would be as good as signal and whatsapp from an UX perspective. And I could then chat with them with any of the existing dozens of Matrix clients.
Here’s the Matrix CEOs answer to this article: lobste.rs/c/jekh0n
Man, that’s depressing, thanks for sharing, that was well worth the read
I like the concept of delta.chat the most. Anyone here use it? Any reason why it hasn’t caught on?
Deltachat works ok for 1:1 chats and small groups. It is totally unsuitable for large public channels as it doesn’t really have a concept of group chats and just pretends so by (in email parlance) adds every one in ‘CC’. This only works ok for small private groups.
IRC just needs to get it’s shit together and start adopting IRCv3 features on the larger servers. The problem is really only that networks like libera.chat run a feature set that is at least 15 years behind what IRC can actually do.
Ah, too bad. That was perhaps too much to ask.
For me, the reason why Delta Chat hadn’t caught up on me is stickers. There’s a sticker picker on desktop, but not on mobile, and its behind more settings. Weird that it doesnt do it like WhatsApp where stickers are added to personal collections (favorites) that only sync between accounts and can be added manually; it’s not necessary to make it like Telegram or Signal where you can add a collection from a repository.
For chatting it is really enough. Like email.
Copying my post from up thread:
Delta chat is hilariously slow. It’s less of an instant messenger and moreover next business day messenger. That’s ignoring the problems you’ll have running it on your own infrastructure.
That’s like saying POP3 is cooked.
How complicated is a federated messenger? Because it feels like matrix is the only one but there’s always an issue
Matrix is the best option and we should be focusing on improving it instead of restarting from scratch.
They need more resources and better design, but that comes with time. Don’t let them sucker you out of money to fuel their consumerist lifestyles.
It feels like there could/should be a good modern chat protocol and voice protocol and you just pick which interface you want to use, much like email currently does, except for chatrooms.
There is – jabber and jingle. And for a ver-ry brief few weeks, Google’s jabber/jingle worked openly with Facebook’s, and everyone could message each other. And then BOTH arbitrarily broke it with some sparkle-junkie resume-bait software 'up’grade and neither worked with anything else after that.
It was glorious.
Cooked al dente?
With a bit of green pesto and chianti.
I think you can’t message people who are offline, right? I’ve used it before, and like the idea, but both people having to be signed it at the same time wouldn’t work that well for me & my contacts, since we’re in different time zones.
Is anyone else using Delta chat as an alternative? I can’t fault their idea of basing their chat app on the well established email system.
Delta chat is hilariously slow. It’s less of an instant messenger and moreover next business day messenger. That’s ignoring the problems you’ll have running it on your own infrastructure.
Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I did not know this. I’ve seen people recommend SimpleX on lemmy too, but probably they didn’t know.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
So happy the article linked to the Fediverse post, immediately liked and boosted it.
Never used SimpleX much really but will be immediately uninstalling it. Saw the guy’s tweets, he’s fucking insane, and retweets RFK Jr 🤢. Will do my best to inform others.
astute@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Me neither, this is actually disgusting, immediately uninstalled, a founder that has these views most likely shouldn’t be trusted with your data, anyway.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This should be an awareness post on some tech communities
penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Thank you so, so, so, so much for saying this!
vga@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Although I don’t oppose judging people because of their views, I wonder if software written by such people should be.
drspod@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
This attitude has worked so well for allowing the current crop of tech billionaires to grow and cement their influence over the entire world. If people would just stop using their platforms when they hear the CEO’s batshit views then they would be nobodies.
ideonek@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Are you asking if I insist that the minds behind my secure private chat have some moral standing and common sense? One would hope so. I wouldn't trust encryption made by anti-vaxer more than I would trust a plane put tougher by flat-earther. I don't want to be the hero of the next leopard eat my face song.
Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Views that seriously harm or endanger other people are dangerous.
If the founder would have opposing views in e.g. should we narrow down the car roads in cities and widen the pedestrian walks - ok. I think there’s a lot to this question, I think pedestrian walks should be wider, cars are dangerous, etc. But this is not as dangerous as:
“Do you deny scientific evidence that COVID is real and a real danger to a lot of humans”
Ofiuco@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
The write-up I’m referencing has some at the end. Maybe Delta chat?
penguin202124@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
XMPP?
vga@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Well… Matrix. I don’t think it requires self-hosting? It’s E2EE and there are plenty of public servers.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 3 weeks ago
why does matrix require you self hosting? There’s a bunch of free open-signup servers available
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Honestly, I get why one would be discouraged by signal, but as long as your threat model is not “NSA and mossad have a price on my head”, I think it is still the best non-federated alternative. I’d rather take a flawed messenger with well regarded encryption than a beta version that nobody with time and crypto knowledge ever looked at.
belit_deg@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve been using Keet for a couple of months now, really like it. Still in beta, but you can ask questions to the devs in the open chat rooms and they actually give you sound answers
unhrpetby@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It is forkable if necessary. I do think SimpleX is a great piece of software that shouldn’t be reinvented because of the founder.
Jaberw0cky@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Take a look at Delta chat? I can’t find a fault with it yet…
kayky@thelemmy.club 3 weeks ago
Is that it? We stop using better programs because we disagree with the creator’s views?
What a disgusting, childish world some of these people live in.
“I was going to buy that house, but the owner’s views made me reconsider.”
vga@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Yes, unfortunately that is the current reality. Note also the subtle hints this article points to: if you disagree with any of the tenents of our clique, you’re borderline evil. In this case, Matrix uses capitalism as a tool, which implies it is evil.