conduwuit, “featureful fork of conduit” (Rust Matrix homeserver), is discontinued

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• drkt_@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why is it so important to them that his antagonists are queer? They keeps mentioning it as if that matters.

  I don’t know this project or this person, but this reads like someone who has really bad opinions and people told them so repeatedly.

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  • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s noteworthy because this is usually the type of attacks a trans person gets from transphobic trolls and not from her own community. Drives the point home that this is not exclusively transphobia.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Maybe. Or maybe OP is queer and expecting special treatment from the queer communities that use Matrix, and not getting it? It very well could be that OP is a jerk, OP’s co-maintainer is a jerk, or significant portions of those queer communities are jerks. It’s hard to say, but I also find it a bit peculiar than “queer” is mentioned three times, and pretty much all of the links related to the project are queer-related (transfem.dev, for example).

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  • Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Agreed, but still, its a serious loss for matrix, which is already a bit of ashitshow.

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  • brighteast@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m confused too. Nowadays everyone is fighting everyone? 🤷‍♂️ Alright, back to IRC it is.

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    • grin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      oh those netsplits, people fighting for ops… good old days

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• EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  hi, i’m june (aka strawberry🍓🦴 or girlbossceo). i am 19 and a neurodivergent trans puppygirl!!! my pronouns are it/its, pup/pups, she/her, and they/them!! :> 🏳️‍⚧️

  work at Aristocrat as a Security Operations Analyst. opinions are my own and not my employer’s, nor am i speaking on behalf of my employers.

  i formerly worked as an Incident Response Automation Analyst at ReliaQuest in Tampa, Florida (pupbrained automation irl) for almost a year. prior i was a Security Analyst Intern for a little over a year.

  i used to be an android engineer for a 3rd-party security and privacy focused-OS with terrible leadership (they still suck). now rust is cool.

  i do some security research, but not much anymore. i’m a blue teamer and know nothing about red teaming. exploit mitigation and vulnerability research is cool.

  i did a lot of linux sysadmin work in the past, and still sadly do.

  This is found at the root of the domain of the shared post and wow, there’s a lot to unpack there.

  Is this a real person or some kind of character behind this site and post? “Neurodivergent trans puppygirl” sounds like a conservative Fox News dad’s made-up boogeyman.

  And that list of prior experience combined with an alleged age of 19 cannot be real. Thats a described 5-10 years of experience in a number of jobs and fields that you wouldn’t even be hired in until 18 at least.

  Either this post was made by some kind of performative character or otherwise a very deeply troubled individual.

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  • irmadlad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    She sure has a lot of domains tho. That’s not that unusual, just notable. I hope she finds inner peace.

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    • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s very unusual. I consider myself a domain hoarder as well but that’s literally hundreds of dollars a year in domains.

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  • priapus@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve met many neurodivergent trans puppygirls in the FOSS world, but the job history is definitely weird.

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  • Nilz@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait, you think June Strawberry Clementine isn’t their real name??

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  • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I doubt is satire as the project was truly linked with trans groups.

    Probably they just count as experience things that are probably not truly experience or maybe there’s a lot that’s being untold there.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m guessing they’re not 19. That’s the simplest explanation.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, I would be very hesitant to hire anyone under 22, not because of ageism (I can’t legally ask that), but because they’re unlikely to have the experience needed to do the job.

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• unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is not great news for the matrix ecosystem

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  • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Good time to switch to XMPP 😅

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    • mac@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Does xmpp have as good of looking apps for android/ios?

      I have xmpp accounts for jmp.chat and have been underwhelmed with the UX of cheogram for android.

      Ideally, I’d like a low friction and good looking ios client to have IRL friends install to chat to me on as well.

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• 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People I trust who know a lot about community organizing or whatever you want to call this, and are more involved in Matrix than me, told me that this conflict is a lot more complex than just what this document describes.

  So I suppose, don’t draw any conclusions just yet if this is the first time you’re hearing about this like it is for me.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Same.

    I will say that there are some troubling statements here:

    • “queer” mentioned three times - why is that relevant? I was worried conduwuit was merely a protest to conduit’s refusal to add a COC and not a serious project, and this doesn’t help assuage that
    • "copyright trolls demanding i delete all their commits from conduwuit or face legal action" - was the OP or their co-maintainer a jerk or something?
    • “demands i ban my primary co-maintainer” - reinforces my second point

    I don’t know what’s going on, but it sounds like a real mess. I hope OP is able to recover from this, and I hope whatever negative elements that exist in the relevant communities are dealt with.

    So yeah, it definitely seems like there’s more to it, and I don’t even know if the OP is “good” or “bad” here.

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  • blackbrook@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No, really? Reading a document like means you have to believe one of two things: either there is a massive collusion and conspiracy between a ton of different groups against this individual, with a lot of bad actors, or this is a very troubled individual giving a very distorted and paranoid portrayal of what is going on, someone whose behaviors constantly create conflict.

    I know nothing about this individual, this app, or any of the history here, but that is the choice I get from reading this, and one of those two options should seem pretty obviously a lot more probable.

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• nrab@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If there are multiple independent people coming in complaining about you and/or your co-maintainer being transphobic, homophobic, and overall bigots, maybe the problem is you and not the whole community

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  • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Did we read the same text file? I’m seeing none of what you’re talking about.

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    • nrab@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The fact that they’re trans does not somehow make them immune to being a bad person or from shielding bad people

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, maybe. Or maybe not.

    Here’s what I can verify:

    • the project is indeed archived
    • the Matrix protocol specification is problematic
    • people suck

    For the last point, I don’t know if this particular person sucks more than others in the same community. I can see they claim that, but I can’t independently verify that. I hope the Matrix community can see the constructive criticism here and fix the underlying issues, regardless of who is “right” here.

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  • matlag@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Really? Do you realize how many people we’re talking about? This is where the idea that the human brain can’t comprehend interactions with too many people.

    “Multiple indepondant people” might be 5% of the people, some of them under the mob’s effect (wouldn’t engage alone).

    Maybe we miss another point of view, but maybe we don’t. This may be a screaming example of what you get as a representative of minorities getting a bit of attention.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m guessing it’s closer to 5 people than 500. The Matrix development ecosystem can’t be that large.

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• noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  BTW one of the maintainer forked it so if you need upgrade path, it exists. (at least for now)

  github.com/matrix-construct/tuwunel

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Looks interesting.

    This part confuses me though:

    Tuwunel’s theme is empathy in communication defined by the works of Edith Stein.

    What does “empathy in communication” have to do with a software project? Are they going to ban people who don’t display empathy? If so, isn’t that anti-empathetic? I’m kind of confused what this is intended to convey.

    I’m all for empathy, don’t get me wrong, but ideally software projects are more focused on technical correctness than feels.

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    • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What does “empathy in communication” have to do with a software project?

      Not having read Stein’s work, I can only mostly guess it’s related to the emphasis on the “communication” part as it applis to effective communication of duties, milestones, failure modes and reactions in a project. Torvalds’s tirades for example were awesome and most of the time well-deserved for the idiot trying to accidentally the kernel, but are quite more of a bummer and a momentum-killer when looked at at a project-wide scope.

      I’m all for empathy, don’t get me wrong, but ideally software projects are more focused on technical correctness than feels

      (Not) sorry to say, that age has long sailed. Remote teambuilding, capitalism and AI have made it that we now need to actually care and be watchful why or how something is being made to work, on the technical sense. Just look at the situation with Mozilla or Signal (offering systems that can be described as free, but are being offered so in a rather adversarial manner).

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  • Nilz@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We are currently in the process of transitioning.

    Keeping with the theme I see ;)

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  • mac@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do you know which maintainer? I was interested in setting up conduwuit this weekend but I’ll probably wait a few weeks to see how tuwunel plays out

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    • ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Jevolk

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• Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Is this shit true? I have been using conduwuit for quite some time with total satisfaction (as far as matrix goes OFC) and woulduch likely delete my matrix presente than sricking back to that shit show of synapse.

  I read the link, and feel like i want to know the other side of the story.

  But, honestly, don’t care for the stupidity of people and the toxicity. I care for the technical side and conduwuit is just the best out there. Losing it, it is a big loss for matrix globally.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The project is archived, so that part is true. I have no idea about the rest of the post.

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• ogarcia@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  IMHO, if the protocol specifications seem like pedantry to you the best thing to do is either drop it or design your own protocol. But if in the end what you do is to release a product that is only half-compliant, the rest of the community will turn their backs on you because, by not complying with the standard, you can produce all kinds of unexpected situations.

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  • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You know that even Synapse is not following the specs? Basically the specs follow Synapse, ofen with a huge time lag.

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    • sxan@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, the Matrix protocol is poorly managed.

      Synapse is the reference platform, and it’s incredibly annoying.

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• Flipper@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Here is some more context. Are they biased? Probably in some shape or form.

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• monogram@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Touching grass and meeting in a Pub could have solved this all.

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• mac@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Was very bummed to hear about this, was literally on my way to installing this on a new vps to connect to a handful of different bridges, when I noticed the repo had been archived.

  Sucks as all of the other options are either not as feature-rich, or are resource intensive.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, I’ve been putting off setting it up.

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    • mac@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Looks like one of the main maintainers will continue with a fork, tuwunnel

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• eutampieri@feddit.it ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And that’s why I stayed on conduit. I always felt that conduwuit was forked because of spite. Don’t get me wrong, it’s sad (less diversity).

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  • smiletolerantly@awful.systems ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah but conduit is so stale, it might as well be discontinued

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• daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just last week I was setting up a matrix server.

  I considered conduwuit but I had a feeling this might happen. Happy to stick with Synapse. It’s just a shane that it’s written in freaking python.

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  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Python is fine. It’s not my first choice for a high-performance, real-time application though, that should be in Rust or Go.

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    • mobotsar@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      real-time

      Go

      …huh?

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• Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No, I found conduwuit to be my favourite fork by far 😭

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