Submitted 11 months ago by Trex202@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
Each I is a finger, V is the thumb and index. X is crossing your index and middle finger.
Many archaic cultures had words for 1, 2, 3, and many. You can see this tendency reflected in the Roman system where I, II, and III are obvious symbols, but IV introduces a new concept.
Therefore I think 1, 2, and 3 are based on counting on fingers, but 4 is where their system deviates.
I’m not really following you. How is iv or vi represented in your theory?
By turning your hand around.
…what? I am starting at my hand and turning it back and forth and I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about
I’ve never heard of crossing your fingers like that to indicate 10.
Then you haven’t been to China. It’s a shorthand gesture there. The character for ten is 十 so I’m not sure if the gesture informed the character or the other way around. What is noteworthy is just that both cultures ended up with a cross to denote ten.
Possibly an archaic way? They also counted Base 12.
The Romans didn’t use base 12. Roman numerals aren’t a positional system.
What about V for 5? There’s only 2 people I ever saw make a V with their hand. Spock, and Vader.
No, not Darth Vader. I mean the OTHER Vader.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Nah, the roman system developed from even older systems.
They’re tally marks, with a twist.
You take a stick and cut a notch, that’s one. This works up to a point, and that point is 4 or 5, when it becomes unwieldy, and our brains have trouble using the groups of notches.
So you need a new mark to denote a grouping. The v notch is basically adding a / to the already present \ or | tally mark, denoting that the new symbol represents a group of the previous ones.
Different methods have 3 base marks, with the fourth being the new one, others do it at five.
Roman numerals stop at 3 individual marks, and there’s no record of why. But avoiding 4 repeating symbols is consistent with the higher numerals as well.
Basically, once you hit |||, the next number with be the | subtracted from the next higher digit. It works with IX, as well as XL, XC, etc.
But, the idea you suggest is sometimes presented as a possible origin for the earlier systems. Thing is, other tally systems that originated separately follow the same basic concepts, without using the same V symbol, but using other cross marks. Not that it matters because nobody knows. Nobody back then passed the information along.
It does kinda make sense, but the idea that it’s the simplest way to make marks on sticks and stones does too
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Ten is VV, and if you write them on top of each other, it makes X.