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Google Chrome disables uBlock Origin for some in Manifest v3 rollout
Submitted 1 month ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Ethanol@pawb.social 1 month ago
upvoted for the spinny gif … weeeeeeeee C:
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Meanwhile ublock origin works fine in Fennec/Firefox Android.
sma3in@lemmy.world 1 month ago
LibreWolf if you want security, privacy and freedom
PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Firefox-based zen-browser.app if you want to get fancy
nnullzz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Thanks for this!! I became spoiled with Arc’s UI, but it’s a Chrome based browser. This looks like it’s the same experience without the bs.
PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah. Zen is a bit newer and I’d say not quite as slick an experience yet, but it has come a long way in the last couple months and is getting very good
bilb@lem.monster 1 month ago
I’ve liked this one lately.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This looks really interesting, but I have so many questions. A few important ones that come to mind immediately:
- What is the user agent that’s reported? I’m guessing Firefox, but if there are any indicators that would give it away it’s not Vanilla Firefox or a popular fork, this could make you more unique.
- Are the mods publicly identifiable? Another thing that might make you very unique and prone to fingerprinting.
A core part of being private online is blending in with traffic, so using a niche browser like Zen (depending on the configuration) would make you stand out.
The product looks good, and the privacy policy is pretty good too. Still, it’d be good to understand all the aspects of how Zen prevents you from standing out in the crowd.
I don’t know if you or someone else can speak to this. I would jump into their community, but it’s on Discord, so that’s absolutely not happening.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Chrome? A browser that’s easily replaceable with any other browser? Huh… Didn’t see that one coming.
/S
Dicska@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m saying this as a 2 year convert Firefox user: mostly easily replaceable. Sure, I can browse pretty much every page that I can on chrome. However, a few sites don’t work the same way - sometimes because of the site’s conscious decision, sometimes because of Firefox.
Take Facebook, for example. On desktop, I can’t make voice calls anymore from the desktop site. For a while it was possible with non encrypted chats, but now pretty much all of them are encrypted, and FF is not compatible with that. I also can’t watch h265 videos in my chats anymore. I’m still sticking with FF, but I just can’t easily say that FF is just as good for everything.
ButtDrugs@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Yeah I’m a 20-some year FF user and when it started you had to have IE as a backup because not everything was compatible. In the late 2000s through late 2010s everything worked everywhere, then with chromes dominance places have stopped testing or supporting certain things in FF and it feels like history is repeating itself. Unfortunately you need a chromium-based backup realistically for certain sites, but 99.5% of things work totally fine in FF.
RustyShackleford@literature.cafe 1 month ago
It’s a good thing I stayed loyal to Firefox. Mainly due to my dislike of change lol, but I was forced to use Chrome and it felt ominous with its owner being Google.
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I switched to Firefox the morning they disabled uBlock Origin.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I never left Firefox. It’s a fantastic browser.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 1 month ago
i like waterfox www.waterfox.net
CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Whats the advantage of Waterfox over librewolf?
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 1 month ago
eh? no idea, never used it. these downvotes are wild to me. is waterfox bad somehow?
xnx@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Better defaults for the average user who isn’t looking for maximum privacy
hector@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The problem with Web Standards is that they’re so complete, broad and complex that it’s very hard as an independent team to get started writing a browser.
You’d have so little daily active users compared to the titans products (Chromium, Gecko, WebKit) that even if you made something super good, it would still be hard to guarantee website compatibility without faking the user-agents.
There’s also a lot of complexity involved in writing a sandbox for every instance of a website (tabs or iframe) and sharing information between multiple process. I don’t know how they do it in Chrome, but in Firefox they have a whole specification language for that which compiles to C++.
You also have to recreate the DevTools and other tooling for developers to adopt your browser and for you to debug any issues with your DOM renderer…
I love how much the web has to offer nowadays with technologies like WebRTC, WebSocket, Blobs, GamePad API, modern CSS3 but it has also the effect of locking us down into a tiny ecosystem.
I really their should be legislation on what companies can do with their browser because they’ve become such an important piece of the internet so they should serve public good.
I don’t know how to make it happen and I don’t even know if it’s a good idea when you consider the governance issues it would bring for open-source project.
I’m really passionate about this technology !
merc@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Unfortunately, there are only 3 companies developing browsers right now: Google, Apple and Mozilla.
Apple’s browsers are only available on Apple platforms. In fact, if you’re on iOS you have no choice, you have to use Safari. Even browsers labelled as “Chrome” or “Firefox” are actually Safari under the hood on iOS. But, on any non Apple platform, you can’t use Safari.
Google is an ad company, so they don’t want to allow ad blockers on their browser. So, it’s a matter of time before every kind of ad blocking is disabled for Chrome users.
Firefox is almost entirely funded by Google, so there’s a limit as to what they can do without the funding getting cut off. They seem to be trying to find a way forward without Google, but the result, if anything is as bad as Google if not worse:
“investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term;”
blog.mozilla.org/…/mozilla-leadership-growth-plan…
All these other browser people like are basically reskinned versions of Chrome or Firefox. They have a handful of people working on them. To actually develop a modern browser you need a big team. A modern browser basically has to be an OS capable of running everything from a 3d game engine, to a word processor, to a full featured debugger.
It looks like it’s only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads, because the only two companies that make multi-platform browsers depend on ads for their revenue, and both of them will have enormous expenses because they’re obsessed with stupid projects like AI.
miridius@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Apple has a conflict of interest too: they need to keep safari gimped so that users have to install apps instead of using PWAs, so that Apple can keep getting 30% of the app sales.
As a result, Safari is terrible and very far behind in standards. It’s the new internet explorer.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 month ago
It looks like it’s only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads[.]
I don’t know if I’d take it that far. Firefox and the Chrome engine are open source projects. Anyone can modify the browser to enable ad-blocking in some form if a user is sufficiently determined. Now, will it be possible to write and distribute a popular an effective adblocker under these conditions? It appears to be getting harder.
merc@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Firefox and the Chrome engine are open source projects. Anyone can modify the browser to enable ad-blocking in some form if a user is sufficiently determined.
Technically, sure. But, these are extremely complex software products, and it would be one hobbyist vs. an entire software division of a trillion dollar company who are determined to make sure you see ads.
TIN@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I still find it interesting that the Vanadium browser in Grapheneos is Chromium based, with no possibility of extensions. I know this is for security reasons but it feels odd to still use chrome on my phone and Firefox everywhere else.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 1 month ago
I just use a Firefox derivative there as well, because of Ublock. Tried Vanadium but the adblocking was just not good.
TIN@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Which one are you using? I was looking at ironfox
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 month ago
go to brave, chrome has been pretty anti-adblock for a while. chromium might have a problem since it uses chrome store for extensions.
als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Brave is full of adverts for crypto and is owned by a homophobe
pivot_root@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s still the Chromium browser. Same problems, but now at the mercy of two corporations that are looking to turn a profit.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Brave is just Chrome with added crypto and homophobia
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Brave has investments from A16Z, a VC fund that has been involved in multiple pump and dumps and shoes founders are fundamentally opposed to democracy and human rights.
Blindsite@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Use an alternative chromium based browser?
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Don’t use chromium?
miridius@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Lemmy hivemind Firefox bias is a little bit insane lol
Varying9125@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What is everyone’s thoughts on duckduckgo browser? I’m on grapheme os and have always used Firefox on my desktop
nahostdeutschland@feddit.org 1 month ago
duckduckgo browser is based on Chromium (as nearly every other “alternative” browser is) and therefore will use Manifest v3 and neuter uBlock.
DealBreaker@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Why not use Firefox for android too?
Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Vivaldi on Linux and Windows is still good in my experience, and so far uBlock Origin for manifest v2 still works. I hope they keep v2 support forever, forking completely if they must.
P1nkman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If you’re still using Chrome, do yourself a favour and install Firefox.
nahostdeutschland@feddit.org 1 month ago
Let’s be honest: Everything that might be “worse” or “annoying” in Firefox for someone is not relevant in comparison to “no working adblocker available”. A browser without adblock is unusable
P1nkman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
True, but if an adblocker no longer works on a specific browser, change your browser! I started using Netscape back in '94, and lost count on how many browsers I’ve tested and used in the past… Holy shit, 30+ years!!
CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee 1 month ago
What issues do people even have with firefox? Its a browser, it seems fast enough. Isn’t that all most people need from a browser
miridius@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What a silly comment. Chrome has plenty of good ad blockers still.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I haven’t actually found anything that doesn’t work on Firefox on my personal computer. At work we also use Firefox, and some things don’t work on it, but some things don’t work on chrome or edge either, it’s a hodge poge.
kat@orbi.camp 1 month ago
Main reason I don’t is cuz:
grapheneos.org/usage
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This only applies to android, not desktop use, and you couldn’t use uBlock on mobile chrome anyway so it is simply not relevant.
Monomate@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I use Firefox as my main browser on Android, and all apps that invoke a WebView do so using Firefox rendering engine, with uBlock Origin and Dark Reader working seamlessly. So, maybe this info about Firefox for Android lacking WebView support is outdated?