Apple to use Chinese giant Alibaba’s AI in iPhones

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Since people don’t click through and read articles, it should be pointed out that this is specifically for the Chinese market in order for Apple to try and get back market share in China where they’ve been falling behind Huawei and others.

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The bloomberg article was paywalled for me, and I didn’t see that in the original.

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    • dogslayeggs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      they should’ve used Alibaba/Qwen for their other markets, too.

      Which would get them banned from all government use. Smart call.

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  • dukatos@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Or they could just lower the prices

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    • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It’s not prices so much as it is the fact that Chinese services are huge for Chinese citizens and not having them is a detriment.

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• brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  For context, Alibaba is behind Qwen 2.5, which is the best series of LLMs for desktop/self-hosting use. Most of the series is Apache licensed, free to use, and they’re what Deepseek based their smaller distillations on. Thier 32B/72B models, especially finetunes of them, can run circles around cheaper OpenAI models you’d need an $100,000+ fire-breathing server to run… if OpenAI actually realeased anything for public use.

  So… Yeah, if I were Apple, I would’ve picked Qwen/Alibaba too. They’re the undisputed king of models that would fit in an iPhone’s memory pool, at the moment.

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  • coherent_domain@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    How do you Apache license a LLM? Do they just treat the weights as code?

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It’s software, so yeah, I suppose. See for yourself: huggingface.co/Qwen/QwQ-32B-Preview

      Deepseek chose MIT: huggingface.co/…/DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Qwen-32B

      For whatever reason, the Chinese companies tend to go with very permissive licensing, while Cohere, Mistral, Meta (Llama), and some others add really weird commercial restrictions. IBM Granite is actually Apache 2.0 and way more “open” and documented than even the Chinese tech companies, but unfortunately their models are “small” (3B) and not very cutting edge.

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  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Deepseek R1 is currently the selfhosting model to use

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Some of the distillations are trained on top of Qwen 2.5.

      And for some cases, FuseAI (a special merge of several thinking models), Qwen Coder, EVA-Gutenberg Qwen, or some other specialized models do a better job than Deepseek 32B in certain niches.

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• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Reminder, Apple was always going to use a Chinese service for China. ChatGPT is banned in China.

  Third party model integration is pretty dumb in Apple intelligence. When Apple’s private model hits a dead end, it asks if you want to throw the prompt into a bigger model.

  Eventually, like with search, people will people to select the default model that they integrate with.

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• Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  A match made in Hell.

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Apple’s outsourced just about every other aspect of its business to Chinese tech companies. I don’t see why this would be different.

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• Zerlyna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’m no expert but with musk likely doing a hostile takeover of OpenAI I’m down with this.

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  • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Eh, no, still hard no.

    Just because one evil becomes a bigger evil that doesn’t mean we should just use the other evil

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  • daddy32@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    He’s not doing a takeover.

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  • DandomRude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

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    • DandomRude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      True that. It’s the lesser evil. That would probably even be the case if it wasn’t just a deal for the Chinese market.

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