Submitted 2 days ago by vordalack@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42121548
Why are distro communities turning linux more and more into Windows and Mac OS clones?
This is why I use Arch.
Because telemetry as implemented and spying are in fact very very different, and conflating the two is why “noone cares about privacy”. When your giant conspiracy wall is “Manjaro knows a user in north America clicked on the start menu more often then typing into a quick search box” and you refer to that as spying, you hurt the actual cause you claim to support. Badly.
Damn. I really liked manjaro
It’s like finding out your favorite YTber touches kids… feels bad man.
Oh, you can vote whether it should be opt-in or opt-out.
Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.
Anyway, I may stop donating to Manjaro due to this. Now I just go with Arch anyway. archinstall even makes it quick to setup a VM.
I had a forum account from long ago that I barely use and even I was able to vote … so if you had an account there, give it a try and vote!
Oh, voting requires “Trust level 1”.
I’ve found that some people use Linux just to be apart of the “cool tech kids” on the internet. They don’t understand how to use a CLI, what kernel level access is, what a kernel is, or even how Linux actually works as opposed to Windows/Mac.
I think Manjaro was made for them. It’s like the MLM version of a Linux distro.
Are you trying to gatekeep Linux to only power users that use a CLI, are way above the average in computer literacy, and happen to know the nuances between Linux and other operating systems?
This is the kind of thinking that will prevent adoption to the masses. Linux doesn’t have to be stupid hard to use. There are specific distros like vanilla Arch for advanced users to tinker with and options like Manjaro and Ubuntu that are ideally functional out of the box for those that just want something to work.
What Manjaro is doing here is dumb AF, and should rightfully be heavily criticized, but you statement feels like your saying you should have to be a computer expert to use any Linux distro, and that’s dumb.
I’ve found that some people use Linux just to be apart of the “cool tech kids” on the internet. They don’t understand how to use a CLI… I hope that’s true. If Linux got this far to make PC life possible for the cool kids, I say welcome every single one of then.
The only thing archinstall script misses for me is option for flatpak setup from the get go
Great…Right now, when I was thinking about finally installing Manjaro (I saw its for noobs, pretty well designed, i’m tired of “power users” distros). What else then? I used EOS, it was buggy sometimes errors etc., I use cachyOS and all the time errors and problems, but i just don’t care anymore, Ubuntu is corporate’s shit, maybe Mint or Fedora? Actually, I kinda liked flatpak recently, maybe I could live without AUR he? But on the other hand I need this rolling release cycle, thats why I hoped Manjaro is such “stable arch”, I’m nvidia user…
What is your preferred desktop environment from below?
Based on your choice I can recommend you a one.
KDE only, I would prefer stability (as I’m tired of things breaking up), but I need latest updates (thats why i liked flatpak, cuz it partially replaces need of AUR).
Could also check out openSUSE if you don’t mind the lack of an AUR
Yeah not really “don’t mind”, but hopefully I won’t need it, thanks
EndeavorOS is what you want, fits the same niche but without being fucking Manjaro. :-)
Well I tried, it was better than cachyOS now, but still it was not so for noobs, i had to fix many problems using it
since a third of manjaro is coming form austria, i apologize ⅓ times for its existence
Oh boy looks like my weekend will be spend learning and trying to install Arch without a graphical installer. To be fair Manjaro on my laptop was my first try at Arch. I never thought how much I will come to like AUR.
EndevaourOS is already on my gaming rig so plain Arch for my laptop seems like a good challenge. Farewell Manjaro, I learned a lot
I highly recommend BTRFS as your root filesystem, and then configure snapshots. This way if an update goes sideways (pretty rare), you can roll back and wait for fixes.
I haven’t used Arch for a few years, but my openSUSE Tumbleweed install came with it by default, and it has saved me a few times in the 7 or so years I’ve used it. Maybe the new instructions include that, idk, but you’ll be glad you have it.
After you figure out how to properly partition your disk, you learn how the entire setup is actually quite simple Basically, Mount partitions, pacstrap to install the base system, generate fstab, chroot in, create a unprivileged user and add it to sudo, setup grub, configure internet, exit chroot and unmount, reboot into the newly installed system, configure X11/Wayland to your liking
Installing Arch is a lot easier than fixing a bad Manjaro update. I get that it’s intimidating, but it’s really quite easy if you can follow instructions, but budget a couple hours your first time because you’ll probably second-guess everything. The second time should be more like 30 min.
It’s not that hard, just read the install guides and instructions. My first Arch install was like 8y ago and I expected it to be difficult - it wasn’t.
Meanwhile my first Gentoo system… I was expecting to be not so bad… Holy f I was wrong
Opt out telemetry is annoying. There’s no guarantee it doesn’t send before I’ve had a chance to disable.
If I were using Manjaro right now, at the first opportunity, I would be switching to something else. Too much enshitification happening everywhere, and people need to start voting with their “wallets” to stop these greedy fucks.
Finally time to update manjarno.snorlax.sh again -_-
I was just getting used to using Manjaro for my dev machines due to rolling release. Gotta find new flavor now.
Yup saw it recommended in one of the comments as well, I’ll read it up.
OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Reliable and up to date.
Haven’t touched suse ecosystem since they were suse. Now I just feel comfortable with Debian or arch.
Well Debian doesn’t have a rolling distro, does it?
It was something that underpinned your choice and now it’s not. I’m not sure why you said gotta find when you already knew the answer.
Got into rolling release very recently with Manjaro (realized Debian doesn’t have rolling release). Just started getting used to arch packaging. I wouldn’t consider myself knowledgeable in rolling release options
seaQueue@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Friends don’t let friends use Manjaro
Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Or just plain arch. Installing it with archinstall isn’t that hard
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
And it’s a one-time thing, then you just
pacman - Syuinto the sunset. Consider setting up btrfs with snapshots, which is a life saver when an update goes bad. I use snapper on openSUSE Tumbleweed and it has saved me from bad NVIDIA updates a couple of times, which is the main reason I switched from Arch a few years ago.