WhatsApp and Signal messages at risk of surveillance following EncroChat ruling, court hears | Computer Weekly

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• Zak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The headline is a little misleading. The actual ruling is that police can obtain warrants to install surveillance malware on phones when they have evidence the owner is using it to communicate about crimes.

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  • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Could malware be installed without access to the physical phone? How would this be achieved. Is it with a backdoor from the phone manufacturer or infected somehow from the sim card service provider.

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    • Plopp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Depending on circumstances it can be done remotely in different ways AFAIK using things like IMSI Catchers, malicious and sometimes invisible SMS messages, and maybe spearfishing or other methods. Or a combination of things, leveraging different weaknesses of the phone in question.

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    • ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Can be done remotely on any mobile platform. Look up pegasus if you’re interested.

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    • aodhsishaj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Likely as not, person charged with crime is in custody. Police force person to unlock phone, then police install malware and wait for comms to come in.

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    • pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Well just recently researchers discovered a campaign installing backdoors on iPhones using a chain of several 0-day expoits or in this case using also 0-click exploits, where no interaction from a user is needed. However those attack chain are so advanced that practically normal law enforcement would never be able to do it. But theoretically yes some well equiped state actors are able to infect you without noticing. If you are really intrested to see how advanced these attack are search for “project triangulation” or watch the recording from last years chaos computer conference: …ccc.de/…/37c3-11859-operation_triangulation_what…

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  • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The court heard that the Investigatory Powers Act 2016 allows law enforcement to obtain a TEI warrant for a single investigation or operation, such as the covert monitoring of the activities of an identified organised crime group. However, the lawyers argued that a TEI warrant could not be used to monitor all users of a particular messaging service. It was not enough, they said, that the targets for surveillance were using a common technology “incidental to their suspected criminality”.

    I think this is their point. The additional links are walled, but the assertion it sounds to me like they’re making is that the ruling authorized them to hack and surveil an entire platform, rather than based on probable cause against specific individuals.

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• Teknikal@eviltoast.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • doodledup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Tell me you haven’t read the article without telling me you haven’t read the article.

    Also you seem to have no clue what you’re talking about.

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  • radivojevic@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t use Google. I haven’t used Google in… I dunno, a decade? They offer no services that are better than the competition. In fact, the only quality thing they ever made was Google maps.

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    • Blisterexe@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      And now openstreetmaps is just as good – worse for car, better for biking and walking, really depends for public transit

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