What everyone gets wrong about the 2015 Ashley Madison scandal

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26234952-100-what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-the-2015-ashley-madison-scandal/

Found via the author’s Mastodon Post

Generally, the media has focused on the (mainly) men whose names and desires were taken from the company’s subscriber database and shared with the world. […] Ashley Madison was never really about that. Avid Life Media, its parent company, wasn’t in the business of sex, it was in the business of bots. Its site became a prototype for what social media platforms such as Facebook are becoming: places so packed with AI-generated nonsense that they feel like spam cages, or information prisons where the only messages that get through are auto-generated ads.

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KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I think a lot of dating sites are using bots or other means to push engagement at this point since online dating for women can be summed up like this:

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- Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Fuck now I want a hot dog
  
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  - bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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- AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  How’d you get this picture of my Grindr DMs?
  
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- wagesj45@kbin.run ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I remember online dating looking more like this from a male perspective.
  
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  - limelight79@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Back when I was in online dating (I got married in 2010, so it has been a very long time), this is how it seemed to work in the hetero arena:
    
    Women (by which I mean, legitimate accounts from women who were actually looking for dates): Get 1,000,000 messages, approximately 999,900 of which are dick pics.
    
    Men: See 1,000,000 ads, of which about 3 are legitimate people looking for dates.
    
    So, both could be true in relation to the image.
    
    I remember a guy once telling me that basically you have to respond to EVERY AD and hope something sticks. I never did that, and I felt bad for what the women must have had to deal with when I heard that. I had very limited success - dates with, at most, two or three women, and none of those really went anywhere. I ended up marrying someone from work instead.
    
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vk6flab@lemmy.radio ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The business model to require paid credits in order to interact with bots is in my opinion a thing of sheer bastardry.

Apparently, this is how it works: (*)

Women were on the site for free, men were required to pay for and use credits in order to interact with women.

It appears that there weren’t anywhere near the numbers of women claimed by the company. Instead bots would communicate with men, using their credits in the process.

(*) I say works, because apparently the company still exists today and I’m not aware if they ever admitted to using bots, let alone discontinuing their use. The Netflix series goes into detail, which is where I got this understanding from.

Disclaimer: I’m not a customer, have never been one and my comments are based on a single source as described above.

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- victorz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Completely off-topic: I really enjoy the way you express yourself. Do you write a lot? Your text is just very easily consumable, yet not dumbed-down.
  
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  - vk6flab@lemmy.radio ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thank you for your kind words.
    
    I have been writing for most of my life. You can for example read (a copy of) the Alt.Best.Of.Internet FAQ I wrote in 1994. [1]
    
    [1] www.itmaze.com.au/articles/aboi-faq
    
    I tend to write how I speak and attempt to create enough context so a casual reader on the topic can come away with something whilst still discussing the complexity for someone more versed in the subject.
    
    I have written articles about identity theft, authentication over the phone, as well as other technology issues relevant to the public at large. [2]
    
    [3] github.com/ITmaze/articles
    
    I also write a weekly article about the hobby of amateur radio and have done so for over 13 years. It’s published as an audio podcast, with email, video and Morse code versions. [4]
    
    [4] podcasts.vk6flab.com
    
    As for the suggestion of a TED talk, I’ve considered it, but haven’t found a topic worthy of the platform.
    
    As a radio amateur I publish using my callsign, VK6FLAB, as an IT professional, it’s under my company, ITmaze.
    
    Some other articles:
    
    www.itmaze.com.au/articles
    
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  - JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’d totally watch their Ted Talk
    
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MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Had a buddy and told him to use a throw away card. He said it will be fine. I told him not to use his main email address. He had access to fifty or more domains he could have used. He said no it will be fine. The day it broke he called me and I just laughed at him. I had already grabbed the database and had it loaded up where it could be queried. He was there and so were so many other people in our small town. They used their local ISP email which I was the administrator for at that time. Most used their regular cards with their name on it. Many of the payment methods listed though were reloadable throw away cards.

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