That’s a cool story, bro.
Completely irrelevant to the observation that descendents of slaves probably dont appreciate the terminology.
Comment on If "Master/Slave" terminology in computing sounds bad now, why not change it to "Dom/Sub"?
lud@lemm.ee 4 weeks agoBut POC are not the only ones that have been enslaved.
Pretty much all races and people have been enslaved in history.
Slave does not equal North American POC slave and the term in this context has absolutely nothing to do with them. The only time it refers specifically to them is when discussing North American history (and maybe current history due to the fact that USA still enslaves people in prison)
One might argue that the term is outdated because slaves are less common these days, but it has nothing to do with POC (or human slaves at all). But I won’t argue that because the term is very easy to understand and thus not outdated.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
lud@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
probably dont appreciate the terminology.
Exactly
VulKendov@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
North American, more specifically US slavery is very recent relative to the rest of slavery and was deeply ingrained into the economy of half the country. War broke out to abolish it and the effects of it are still felt today.
Don’t deflect from the racism, discrimination, and prejudice that black Americans still experience to this day because of slavery.
lud@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Maybe but the terms slave and master have nothing to do with that.
ILikeAllAss@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
The origin of the terms have nothing to do with it, and they historically apply to a broad range of races and peoples, but I guarantee when the average person hears “master/slave” their first thought is likely “American south” and not “IDE Drive configuration” or “hydraulic system”, so unless I’ve misinterpreted you by mistake, I’m not sure how you could seriously claim “the terms master and slave have nothing to do with [the historical systemic dehumanization of PoC]”
I understand it’s more syllables to say “primary/secondary”, but you can also use:
Changing our habits is annoying and takes effort, but I dont know why people are so enthusiastic to hang onto a term that refers to a historically dehumanizing relationship that people are still unwillingly subjected to in the modern day.
Malfeasant@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
This seems like projection… How do you even begin to have this much certainty about what goes on in any head beside your own?
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
people aren’t enthusiastic about handing onto a derelict term, people just don’t care because they don’t see a significant enough relation between the two for it to matter, and they know that any given reasonable person will also recognize it as well.
And for that matter, if we’re getting rid of master/slave because it’s so bad, we should get rid of killing processes, and especially killing child processes. Because those are arguably worse.
dezmd@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
“Uh, I’m child free thank you very much, don’t tell me how to think.” /s
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
hate to be that guy but like, i feel like we should probably push for more POC to enter CS education fields, or like, improve the socioeconomic status of them, or like, crack down on discriminatory hiring practices, before we like. Start removing words because they feel moderately icky and make my skin crawl.
colon_capital_D@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Why not both? We have the capacity to replace outdated/useless words and make the situation better for others. In fact, one does not prevent the other whatsoever
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
that’s also true. But seeing as this is a discussion primarily about removing terms from common parlance, i think it’s reasonable to focus on solely that aspect.
Ultimately, i’m just not really convinced that doing this is going to be ultimately productive at the end of the day. I might be wrong i suppose. But i think i’d need to see some supporting data first.