Comment on If "Master/Slave" terminology in computing sounds bad now, why not change it to "Dom/Sub"?

Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is real, actual, injustice in the world that we need to address. Computer terms are not one of them.

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  • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But if I have the power to make a small change at work to both be more accurate and correct a minor injustice, why the heck not?! I can’t fix world hunger, but I can at least start a discussion about changing some internal terminology

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• SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It was changed a while ago, it’s primary and secondary now. It’s been that way for a decade+ at this point.

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  • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not every domain though. I still see master/slave in every relevant datasheets that I read, and I’ve never seen primary/secondary in newer datasheets.

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    • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s interesting, because everything I run into now has primary/secondary or main and secondary. I’ve not seen master and slave for a good 5 years now, sure older stuff still carries it but most that new has swapped over.

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      • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I should recheck newer datasheets, but I still see master/slave nomenclature in STM32 doc and tools for example.

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• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’d like it to be changed because I don’t like saying "is the slave working? Did you check? To my black employees.

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  • Glitterbomb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe its just the way you say it.

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I say it with a hard R

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      • maniii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Harder R if you want the SlaveR to whip the SlaveE :'D

        Also just kidding. I really really dont understand a lot of the sensitivity and sentiment against words. Words are NOT Violence as long as you agree to be civil and not militant.

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  • awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But you’re depriving the black employers of the chance to say it to their white employees!

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  • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be honest I’d feel stupid saying that alout at anyone. They’re not called that in my native language - I think.

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• frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The i2c spec–which is officially controlled by NXP–has explicitly made the change in 2021:

  www.nxp.com/docs/en/user-guide/UM10204.pdf

  Updated the terms “master/slave” to “controller/target” throughout to align with MIPI I3C specification and NXP’s Inclusive Language Project

  Yes, this has gotten real traction.

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• prime_number_314159@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think very few people mind changing it, and a few people want it changed, so it’s slowly shifting across various use cases. I’ve only discussed the change from master/slave terminology with one person that affirmatively supported the change, and they didn’t know that there’s still slavery in the world today.

  I don’t know what to make of that, other than to say ending human slavery ought to be a higher priority than ending references to it.

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  • shrugs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think very few people mind changing it

    I doubt that. Do you know how many system configurations depend on these keywords? Do you have any idea how many hours of work and system outages this would cause?

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    • prime_number_314159@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve seen a few projects rename during major version upgrades, when everyone has to read the release notes and make changes, anyways.

      Plenty of old deployed systems may continue using master/slave terminology, and of course some projects will stick to that language even decades in the future, but it was once more prevalent than it is now, and that declining trend looks like it will continue.

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• Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We had one guy at work like this. He was laughed out of the meeting.

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• CluckN@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The place I’m at changed all of its documentation to student/teacher instead of master/slave.

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    … I question their relationship with their teachers of they think those are equivalent.

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