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• sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lol, said confidently by someone who very clearly has not read anything marxist

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  • deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a condition in which the proletariat, or working class, holds control over state power. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the transitional phase from a capitalist and a communist economy…”

    Except, there’s no such thing as a communist economy, so the transitional phase lasts as long as there’s capital to reallocate. Then peoole start to flee across the barbed wire and the facade falls down.

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    • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The statement “communism is a conservative authoritarian dogma” being backed up by referencing the idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat is… definitely something

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      • Illuminostro@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s called the “Anal Extraction” fallacy.

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    • sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      there is no such thing as a communist economy Can you back this claim up? Market economy is a term for a reason. An economy doesn’t have to be market to be an economy. Have you never heard of a planned economy?

      the transitional phase lasts as long as there’s capital to relocate

      No. The transitional phase lasts as long there is classes that necessitate a state.

      You have a very simplistic understanding of marxism that cannot be rectified through a fucking wikipedia search. Read the source material or stfu

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      • deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I could read the lifework of Marx, but it wouldn’t change the unviability of planned economy. My parents and grandparents lived in one.

        If we ever stumble upon some kind of mathematical or technological miracle, able to predict the future, I’d be worth to try again. Until then, socialism is a dangerous cult.

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• Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re thinking of tankies.

  Communism is a stateless, classless, system where people enact mutualism and socialism without state coercion.

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  • Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What makes this thing you’re describing, not anarchism?

    I think you’re describing anarchocommunism specifically. Which is "not all communism"™.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The difference between non-ML tankie communism and anarchism is the means of getting there.

      Communists want a vanguard state to slowly whittle away.

      Anarchists want to skip that step.

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      • Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I see. Well, if I take what you’re saying as fully correct, then it sounds like communism compared to anarchism, is just “a different path for how we reach the same utopia”.

        And this different path passes through more authority (quantity and quality), through the existence and emphasis of the state.

        How much authority, is probably what makes the spectrum of Anarchy to Stalin-Lenin.

        And well… As an anarchist, deafboy’s comment might be polemic, but I get it. Any authority that can, will get corrupted.

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• Illuminostro@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wrong.

  To play Devil’s Advocate, communism looks good on paper. The problem is human beings are involved. There will always be narcissistic, greedy, and psychopathic individuals who will abuse the will of the people to take control. There has never been a truly successful communistic system of government. Well, maybe Jeebus and the Apostles, but even Judas sold out for the silver.

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