That’s not true. Try also destroyed really good things, like the internet as a whole.
Comment on Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"
_sideffect@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Big tech can go F itself.
All big tech has done is stolen our data and lied to us for their own needs.
Make all software FOSS
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lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 months ago
This smells like sour grapes to me, just like when people say to boycott Starbucks and then in the same breath say their coffee sucks. These companies became behemoths because people find a lot of value in the products and services they offer. Failing to acknowledge that truth just makes you sound out of touch.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I mean you SHOULD boycott starbucks for their business practices. But you can’t say their coffee sucks. They don’t have coffee. They have “diabetic inducing coffee flavored sugarwater”
But it’s not coffee
Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
I think the point being made here is that many people clearly enjoy what Starbucks offers. So, saying they suck is preaching to the choir. The only people listening to that are the people you aren’t trying to convince. If you want an impact, suggest an alternative that will make those people happy. To do that, start with an understanding of the value Starbucks brings them. Failing that, you are just signaling that your thinking isn’t for them. They’ll just ignore you and continue to happily give Starbucks their money.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Many people enjoy Starbucks.
Many more go because it is convenient due to the drive-through and also because it has probably driven the local coffee shops out of business, but would definitely take another, better option if it presented itself.
Which they are. A smaller (but still pretty big) chain called Scooter’s opened up here and Starbucks has taken a huge hit.
So it’s a bit more complicated than you make it out to be.
suction@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s a bit more complicated: In your example, if someone from the outgroup (e.g. a liberal person or in general someone who isn’t as mindless and as purely driven by hedonism) suggests that “they” should prefer a different coffee chain, they’ll dig in and go to Starbucks even more because by doing that, you gave them another tool to feel like they’re rebelling against the “elites”, i.e. going to Starbucks went from something they did because they were uneducated to a new source of their personal and group identity. There’s no easy solution to bring people to live in their own best interest when they can make every little aspect of their lifestyle into a culture war battleground. It’s as hard as getting people out of a cult.
barsoap@lemm.ee 5 months ago
You can, in fact, go to Starbucks and order an Espresso. Let’s just say that it tastes as if the barrista had never drank one straight.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They have regular coffee at Starbucks.
golli@lemm.ee 5 months ago
people find a lot of value in the products and services they offer
This is definitely true to some degree, but there imo is also another side to this.
Yes, they there are underlying problems/demands that they solve, but they definitely also create and shape those since psychology sadly works extremely effective. And they really try their hardest to manipulate customers.
Another aspect is that they might have originally created that value and given the users what they wanted, which got them in the position they are in now. Sometimes even operating at a loss to bully competition out of the market. But once they achieved this dominant position enshittification commences. Which wouldn’t be that much of an issue, if they wouldn’t also often prevent competition from growing enough to be able to compete.
Example Google search: The demand for a way to navigate the web is real and google fulfilled it best, which made them huge. Timejump to the present: the demand is still the same, but now google shows you what they want you to see and pay billions to be the default search engine to hinder any competition from gaining any traction.
suction@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s a timeline. tech companies have become much worse, and people warning about them more vocal, so the lower educated classes who mindlessly use their products have (partially) woken up to the real motives of companies who create “free to use” products, i.e. data mining. In the EU, we have a lot of dummies who we call “remote controlled”, who want to simulate a version of the US lifestyle (huge cars, celebrity adulation, eating like shit, single-issue voting, vapidness). These mainly teenagers but regrettably also low-class adults. Those are also the people who still use social networks because they have nothing else going on and are too lazy to invest their free time in worthwhile activities. So it’s a class issue, the social underbelly of the EU is remote controlled by US culture and corporations almost like the social underbelly of the US is.
barsoap@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Americans found lots of values in Starbucks coffee because Americans have no concept of coffee that’s simultaneously black, not bitter, not acidic, and sweet. It would be wrong to blame Starbucks for that, they’re a symptom, not the cause, but yes their coffee sucks. As it does everywhere else in the US, the country that thought that percolators were a mighty fine idea.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 months ago
I didn’t know how you think that’s relevant to what I said.
barsoap@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Starbucks can provide value to Americans and their coffee can suck, those two things are not mutually exclusive.
refalo@programming.dev 5 months ago
Make all software FOSS
That would require extreme socialism
demonsword@lemmy.world 5 months ago
that makes it even better then
refalo@programming.dev 5 months ago
wake me up when someone figures that out. so far I haven’t seen any large scale implementation that could last and/or keep everyone happy.
zbyte64@awful.systems 5 months ago
Happy? I’ll settle for dignity.
rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
good
shortwavesurfer@monero.town 5 months ago
If it’s not FOSS, it’s not yours.