Comment on First human brain implant malfunctioned, Neuralink says

• Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  A quadriplegic being able to control a cursor on a screen with the implant for 100 days seems like a legit first attempt.

  Why, when we already have non-surgical solutions that allow the same thing but don’t come with the risk of killing you?

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  • blunderworld@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I agree with not liking ‘differently-abled’ as a term. To me it reads along the same lines as "disabled people are built different. Pretty awkward.

    Not that I have a horse in this race. Or a wheelchair, as the case may be.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah I feel like it’s an attempt to resolve the Deaf stance that deafness isn’t a disability. The general stance of the Deaf community is closer to that of the queer community than that of say the paraplegic community. It sees deafness as a disability constructed by a society unwilling to communicate visually and to teach signed languages to all people able to use them.

      Mind you we’re the contentious portion of the disabled world. The Deaf are as bad as lesbians I tell ya.

      But on point, “differently abled” feels like it washes away the struggle. I am disabled. I’m disabled by a society that taught my great grandparents, my grandparents, and my parents not to teach their hard of hearing children sign language because otherwise we won’t use English. I’m disabled by a society that doesn’t include visual signals in emergency sounds even when it’s easy to do. I’m disabled by a society where people, including cops, will speak to the back of my head and not even consider that I didn’t respond because I didn’t hear. And I’m disabled by the assumption my life has to be worse for having less sound as though I’m not extremely literate and completely capable of using a signed language. I’m not “differently abled” I’m completely able in most ways everyone else is.

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      • iopq@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That’s like saying blind people are not disabled, it’s just society that insists on visual stimuli

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      • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        My aunt and uncle are Deaf and contentious is pretty accurate.

        I get why cochlear implants are shunned, but I don’t get why it’s such a hot button to even consider. We give paraplegics wheelchairs y’know

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      • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I know this is a point of some contention among the deaf community, but how do you feel about the development of a “standard” international sign? Personally, and I’m speaking as a fully hearing person, I think a basic international sign should be developed and taught to everyone. Not only to facilitate communication with the hard of hearing, but also in loud environments and with those who don’t share a spoken language.

        It’s my understanding that a large portion of the deaf community is hostile to the idea of a universal sign from a cultural perspective, since each regional sign has cultural content. However I think it’s a potential solution for numerous issues, with more pros than cons.

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  • Spedwell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I get that there are better choices now, but let’s not pretend like a straw you blow into is the technological stopping point for limb-free computer control (sorry if that’s not actually the best option, it’s just the one I’m familiar with). There are plenty of things to trash talk Neuralink about without pretending this technology (or it’s future form) is meritless.

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    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I feel like I’m going nuts, is eye controlled adaptive tech really that obscure? We’re not talking about maybe letting people walk again or giving them otherwise unattainable control over a computer, we’re talking about a different mouse input. The risks should be proportional to the gains.

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      • inconspicuouscolon@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Can you take a moment and imagine some possibilities of taking input directly from someone’s mind and applying it without needing to use your body? I know moving a mouse doesn’t seem impressive, but it demonstrates success at a technological concept that still seems impossible. I can’t speak for the ethics because I don’t know how voluntary the subjects are for the research, but this is very exciting for me, because it will inevitably become more sophisticated.

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  • moriquende@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Seems to be a much faster interface with bigger bandwidth.

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    • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Is it worth risking dying to be able to move a mouse slightly faster than you can move your eyes and blink? If your answer to that is yes that’s your body, but I think it’s important to contextualize that the options here aren’t brain implant or nothing.

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      • Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Because instead of a mouse cursor today, it could be a robotic leg or anything else tomorrow.

        Being able to control electronics with the same ease we do our own body has so many benefits.

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  • rudyharrelson@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Why

    Why not? Nothing wrong with research and development as long as everyone participating in the test is a consenting adult IMO. The advancements could make current accessibility tech even better. For one reason or another, a quadriplegic person decided they were willing to take the risk, so maybe they consider current accessibility tech for quadriplegics to be insufficient and wanted to try for something better?

    Please dude I promise you this is near universally hated by disabled people 😭

    Well damn, I didn't know.

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• Sneptaur@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  There are some politically correct terms that are not well liked by the people they describe:

  • Differently abled
  • Houseless
  • Latinx

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  • Robotunicorn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I cannot speak to any of these, however, I learned that that you should just ask. If you can’t ask, put the “human” first such as people with disabilities or people who are deaf, blind, etc. Latine is another term I’ve heard, but in the community, there are those that like it and those that don’t.

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    • Sneptaur@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is correct

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    • cam_i_am@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What you said is often true but not always. Some communities prefer person-first language, some prefer identity first language.

      For example, generally speaking, “autistic people” is preferred over “people with autism”. The reasoning being “this is just part of who I am, it’s not an affliction that I have.”

      I’m not autistic but I have lots of friends who are, and they all prefer to say “I’m autistic” rather than “I have autism”.

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