Comment on The Palestine experience
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoSo… I can’t answer your questions but is is certainly in Israel.
There is no doubt that Israel would not allow anyone but themselves to behave like that inside Israel. So id say that it is pretty safe to assume it is an Israeli authority of some sort.
Who leaked it and when is irrelevant IMO.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I would argue with the current… state… of Israel and with the intl pressures and propaganda both who and when leaked it are quite relevant. It contains no context of who these people are (police, armed forces, paramilitary), who they are attacking (cant say I see any reason to treat the second one like that regardless), or why. It is absolutely framed as a random attack on civilians, but what is the context - is it a random attack?
Regarding who and when, there are significant propaganda campaigns on both sides and this provides considerable context. MEE was found to be editing historical videos and adding on Al Jazeera logos to make old recording look like they were Regarding events only a few hours old to spark outrage, Israel is… well being Israel… so there is much more behind this than a 32 second video viewed in Isolation.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Oh get off it. Sometimes a fucking video of police brutality is a fucking video of police brutality.
tearsintherain@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
The poster knows exactly what they’re doing, and it’s not a quest for any truth. A form of gaslighting and covering up Israel’s well established apartheid now outright genocide.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They do know what they are doing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well let’s start with the first question - is this the police, is it the Israeli police, and how do you know?
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I think it’s leprechauns.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Massive propaganda campaign from israel without any evidence: “HAMAS IS GUILTY OF SUPER DUPER CORPSE RAPE!”
Flood of video and photo evidence Palestinians being abused: “There’s a propaganda campaign from both sides! Who to trust? Certainly not my eyes!”
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
See this is the first issue I see - im arguing with someone else who calls them police, but you see them as soldiers. People can’t even identify who is who.
Right now the only thing telling me this is Israel is the title of the video, and one person telling me the signs in the back are the right language.
MadBob@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
To be fair, Hebrew only appears on signage in one area in the whole world: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language
Arabic and Hebrew are both spoken widely across Israel and Palestine (and nowhere else, according to the previous link): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Israel
You can see a number of these numberplates in the video: www.worldlicenseplates.com/jpglps/AS_ISRA_GI.jpg
You can see these uniforms in the video: www.pinterest.jp/pin/192599321547629934/
It’s good to stay sceptical to the last, but you are taking it a bit too far in this case.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
idk why everyone is angry about pointing out the limitations of contextless garbage content that asks the audience to substitute filling in the blanks with your imagination for journalism. Though tbf it seems like doing actual journalism on this kind of thing is a very dangerous occupation right now.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is the point I’m trying to get across - three basic questions we learnt in primary school. Who is this, when did it happen, why did it happen/ why is it important? I’ve had one person tell me it looks like Israeli MPs, one say its police, and someone tells me it’s likely in Israel or a settlement. I’ve been called biased and worse more times than someone can answer the basic question.
The problem is that every article is designed to be read in three seconds, or watch a video that tells you how to react to it, with no authority or actual fact behind it.
mudmaniac@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Perhaps one should go to the website whose address is written in the corner of the video? I struggle to find the article for this specific incident, because there seem to be over a thousand written articles, going back as far as 2009.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This does seem like a common theme with mass produced articles.
Another poster did provide quite a bit of information in one of my other comnents - it can absolutely be located to Israel/Palestine, 99% sure IDF based on uniform and all a blury patch comparison. Timing and story are up for debate, but issues can absolutely be drawn regardless of who the person is at the receiving end.
Questioning calling it evidence of Israel apartheid or individual actions, but it is a piece of a much larger puzzle.