Comment on Biden Says He Told Nigeria to Kill Fewer Civilians — but Nigeria Keeps Killing Lots of Civilians
Pohl@lemmy.world 6 months agoThis is pretty interesting. Americans seem to be convinced that their president is the king of earth and they can, with a wave of their finger change anything. This is total bullshit
Presidential power inside the country is extremely limited by the constitution and they rarely have an opportunity to “just do what they said they were going to do”.
Outside our borders… it’s so fucking complicated that no one person really understands the global web of power and influence. At the bottom of the pyramid though, always force of arms. If America is willing to fight you, then you do what they say.
So… should we start a war in every place on earth that genocide is occurring? Really channel our inner dick Cheney and waste life and treasure in regime changes? Should we really cede all power in the Middle East to Iran so that we can stop our (fucking asshole of an) ally Israel from using those weapons on a highly immoral war? Should we start WWIII with china to save the Uighurs? How many African nations should we currently be bombing?
Which of those wars do you want to fight? Have you enlisted yet? What are you waiting for?
Americans seem to be convinced that their president is the king of earth and they can, with a wave of their finger change anything.
We can just stop giving Israel money and weapons…
Ronald Reagan did it when Israel wouldn’t stop seizing their neighbors land, what’s changed?
How fucked are we that we can point to Reagan and say “do what this guy did”
It’s the natural result of decades of the only standard being “I like the letter by their name”.
Shitty people will always win in a race where cheating is legal. And as the DNC loves to point out: primaries aren’t real elections and they can just ignore results if they want, so cheating is fine.
They stopped short of saying “only an idiot would think primaries matter” but unfortunately I don’t think we’re that far away from it.
Why does that bullshit about Reagan keep popping up?
First of all, that was prior to the start of the Israel-Iran proxy conflict in 1985 that is still occurring today.
Secondly, Reagan cut back foreign aid, which included humanitarian aid, from Israel and then provided military aid under the express agreement that they use it to attack Lebanon.
He wasn’t “being tough” on Israel. He was telling them where to point their weapons.
Uh... Biden can stop the mess in Israel with a phone call. Reagan did it.
Yeah, like I dont understand how someone can’t not get that geopolitics and Ally’s change…
The US was the reason the Taliban gained power, it’s not like 9/11 happened and people said we couldn’t be mad at Osama bin Laden because just a few decades ago we gave him a bunch of money, weapons, and training.
So… should we start a war in every place on earth that genocide is occurring? Really channel our inner dick Cheney and waste life and treasure in regime changes?
No one here is advocating for that. “Stop funding genocide” is a far cry for “Channel your inner Dick Cheney”
Found the genocide supporter
Found the Trump supporter.
It’s not Americans. It’s just the far left brats that in one breath suggest the president have less authority, and then in the next- assume he has the authority to end wars in foreign countries.
No one is asking that you fucking ignorant. Learn to read. “Stop funding a genocide” is totally the same as “the JS controls Israel and it’s all Biden’s fault.”
Stop pretending people are saying what they are not. It makes you either stupid or a biased propagandist. So take your pick… Either start engaging with what people actually say, or forever be a pathetic fuck incapable of understanding nuance.
Yes. People ARE asking that. Because you’re not seeing it, doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. I see it a lot where people actually suggest that Biden can stop the genocide. More than I’d like to admit.
So how about you grow up and stop with the schoolyard insults and learn how to talk like an adult or this will be the last time I treat you like one.
Genocide stops the minute US stops sending weapons to Israel. And the US president has the power to stop them. There is literally nothing to debate here, it’s a simple fact.
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I'm not American and I'm not asking them to stop Israel's genocide. I'm asking them to:
stop funding it
stop supplying it with weapons
stop vetoing UN measures against it
stop lobbying the ICC and other international bodies in support of it
At least in the case of Gaza the US are literally funding it to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. Unless there’s some mystical magical procedure I’m not aware of, Biden could veto anything that supports Israel that comes out of Congress. A literal unused one person choke point that keeps passing weapons to Israel. The frustrating thing about Gaza is how simple it would be to stop it. Stop the flow of weapons. The US has threatened it before, and gotten results.
Please stop pretending the US can’t wield power that isn’t an invasion force.
Sending weapons to Israel is part of a very old US strategy to check Iranian power. You can argue that we should stop trying to check Iranian power, I could probably be convinced of that. Being an enemy of Iran has led us to some of our shittiest “allies”. Remember when US presidents shook hands with Sadam Hussein? That shit happened!
We can stop sending them weapons and money. We should. We should try to make those shipments conditional on changes to the Gaza war strategy. But letting Iran run wild is not going to be super great for US interests and is going to be VERY unpopular with US citizens. It’s not that I like the way everything is happening, it’s that it isn’t simple. Iranian troops in Israel, SA and Iraq isn’t an outcome we can handle so taking our foot off the pedal almost certainly leads to a hot war with Iran. That sucks a lot.
metaldream@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
We just want the US to stop giving Israel money and weapons. How is that so fucking hard to understand?
Pohl@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Me too. Shame is that doing that would empower Iran, which isn’t great. It’s all tough choices and I’m pretty tired of listening to idiots pretend they have all the answers.
krolden@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Who cares about Iran
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No one is saying Iran needs zero foils to counter and control them, you assuming dingdong.
We just want the US funded foil to not also be committing a genocide. The fact you conflate, “no genocide” with “eliminate Israel” shows that you are not capable of honestly engaging on this topic.
livus@kbin.social 6 months ago
We also want it to stop obsessively protecting it from the UN and international law.
The US is currently trying to lobby the ICC in Netanyahu's favour.