Comment on Tesla’s in its flop era

• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wouldn’t set one foot in those cars.

  The employee training the company offers is “woefully inadequate,” Reveal reported in its investigation. Turley told me she was never taught how to do her job and only shown videos that included a history of the plant and information about Tesla, but nothing about the work she would be doing. “You pretty much have to learn from the people that’s in there,” she said. Cleon Waters also said in his filing that he was never given any training for his job assembling parts of car motors. California safety regulators cited Tesla eight times for deficient training between 2013 and 2018.

  thenation.com/…/tesla-racism-sexual-harassment/

  (Warning: this whole article is awful and infuriating.)

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  • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cars and car companies suck. If I could lug all my sports shit around in an e-bike I would.

    I imagine the conditions aren’t great at all these “American” car plants which are conveniently located in Mexico for maximum abuse of labor.

    I’m not saying your wrong, there just needs to be alternatives in order for consumers to vote with their wallet on these issues.

    For something like a car which is not optional for me, it’s either an ICE from a scummy car dealer with a scummy company behind them that uses questionable labor practices, or an EV from a scummy car dealer with a scummy company behind them that uses questionable labor practices, or an EV from a company with a scummy CEO that uses questionable labor practices. At least with a Tesla you can cut out some of the scumbags? I’d be interested in Rivian too if I could afford one but they start at 70k.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m sorry, the response to ‘these people are making cars without being trained’ should not be ‘cars and car companies suck’ because that would not be the case in any other car company.

      Teslas are rolling deathtraps.

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      • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You seem to be missing the point. Show me a car company that’s not screwing over the consumers and the workforce, and I’ll buy from them. Not every consumer has the luxury of maximizing altruism with their car purchase. At least those supposedly untrained employees are US citizens getting paid a US wage. Do you honestly think that things are better at the Mexican plants?

        Maybe Honda and Toyota or Subaru? But they’ve been too busy sucking off the oil industry with their hydrogen push, and now their EV offerings can’t compete.

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• CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think you make a valid point that it’s extremely difficult to avoid buying from companies or CEOs you disagree with on political or moral grounds.

  However, in the case of Tesla, I’ve lost faith in the product. I don’t know if I will discover that corners were cut, that features will be removed over the air, or that the company won’t crash and burn.

  So, the erratic, narcissistic CEO is the reason I won’t buy a Tesla anymore, but it’s not a sacrifice because I consider it to be the pragmatic choice as well.

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• AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Chevy Bolt is full EV, and only $12,000 after some rebates that may only apply in California. It doesn’t have 300 mile range, only 250-280. I haven’t actually checked, but I think it has a motor on each wheel, so that would be 4WD. Unfortunately, they have decided to discontinue the Bolt after this year.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It was also UAW made. Which is one of the most important things for me when it comes to buying a new vehicle

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    • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is a good point, I’m more inclined to support a unionized company. Still… my understanding is that GM and Ford (and others) all circumvent unionization by manufacturing (to some extent) in Mexico. I guess it depends on the individual car. I’m supportive of Federal and State EV incentives that prioritize made in the US, unionized manufacturing.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Very true. The unfortunate reality is no vehicle manufacturer is friendly to the UAW (to my knowledge, though Volkswagen claims to be apathetic, but when I was a union member of a company they own it certainly felt like they had a problem with us). I don’t support these companies because they’re good companies I support them because I want the industry to face financial pressure towards unionized labor. And my alternative isn’t nonunion vehicles, it’s used vehicles.

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  • OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, this is my dilemma. I have heard positive things about Ford and GM in regards to them making it easier to skip the dealership, do that at least addresses the convenience factor. Another factor in wanting to avoid the dealership is that I don’t trust their business model where they sell you a car that they want you to bring in regularly for maintenance. I’d rather buy from a company that doesn’t see vehicle service as a revenue opportunity. Does that apply to Tesla? I’m not sure, but I know that’s how the traditional dealership model works so it’s hard to trust those companies.

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  • bilb@lem.monster ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I really like my Bolt, it perfectly suits my needs and I love driving it. I think the biggest compromise that makes it unattractive for long distance travel is the relatively slow charging speed. I very rarely do that, however, and if I did I might rent a different vehicle.

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• negativeyoda@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s really not that difficult to not buy from Walmart and Amazon. I’m not saying any retailer is ideologically pure and chill across the board but mom and pop shops sell 95% of what they do and the money stays in your community

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