Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015, Debian 8 was released on 26 April 2015, 3 months earlier. And you are comparing it with Debian 6, released 4 years earlier? Debian 8 extended long term support reaches end-of-life 30 June 2025.
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EarMaster@lemmy.world 2 months agoFor reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn’t received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017…
cilmor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
EarMaster@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You are right. I misinterpreted the information on wiki page. Debian 8’s free LTS tier ended 2020 and the Extended LTS continues until 2025. Extended support is a paid service though and costs a lot more than a single Windows license. Microsoft offers a similar (also paid) service.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
windows 10 was meant to be the last version of windows, its a bit disingenuous to compare the two that way
jose1324@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ughh i hate reading this hoax. W10 was never the last version of windows. It’s a paraphrased report of one engineer at Microsoft that said that, but it was never in any official capacity confirmed
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
The Verge asked a rep at Microsoft, and this is what they said:
When I reached out to Microsoft about Nixon’s comments, the company didn’t dismiss them at all. “Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers,” says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. “We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.”
So they didn’t rule out branding changes, but the changes to Win 11 seem like a pretty big change from Win 10, which seems to go against the “Windows will be delivered as a service” statement. So it’s not just that one engineer, but probably a broader push (that may have been delayed or scrapped) to push gradual updates consistently instead of larger, periodic updates. I’m no expert, but I didn’t really see any difference in how Win 10 was released vs previous versions (e.g. XP had service packs, Win 7 had service packs, Win 10 had service packs, etc).
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
well the way they stopped making new windows versions after 10 (until now) seems to indicate that was the plan
jose1324@lemmy.world 2 months ago
W11 released like any other lifecycle, huff copium dude
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Hahahahahaha, and you believe this?
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
frankly as long as my windows 10 license is valid in windows 11, i couldn’t care less.
But you still wouldn’t find me using windows 11.
ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 2 months ago
It’s comparing apples to oranges, that said, the current version of Debian is much closer to the UX of Debian 6 than windows 11 is to windows 10
If the point of windows is you’re paying for an operating system and should then have better support than a free alternative, they should be able to push security updates, especially if they’re already committed to ensuring old windows app can still run inside new windows
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Mac OS is Apple to oranges against windows when it comes to OS support?
Conveniently skipped that part and focused on Debian…
ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 2 months ago
No, it’s not apples to oranges because Mac and windows are both paid support.
If you want to compare apples to apples, then sure, Mac is better than windows. That’s a low bar to beat though. I was comparing apples to oranges, which was a comparison in paid vs free support.
But yes, macs desktop environment and user experience hasn’t taken half as much of a dump as Debian. But they’re also based on Linux, and don’t have to make the same commitments windows does
EarMaster@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They did provide security updates for several years longer than any competitor. Even (or especially depending on your point of view) for a company like Microsoft a user shouldn’t expect updates indefinitely at least not for the normal retail price.
And to be clear: I also don’t want to blame any of the named Linux distros. I recently migrated an old CentOS 6 server and it was about time. Sure there were still some security updates but several software components hadn’t received updates for years and there were a lot of workarounds necessary to keep the thing in a somewhat decent and modern state.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
the cool thing about debian though, you can just reinstall that shit. Or if you like flying close to the sun. Just change your apt sources. And hope nothing explodes.
Miaou@jlai.lu 2 months ago
My vps was two Debian versions late and both upgrade went super smooth. Did it fromy damn phone even.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
i imagine it’s a bit of gamble sometimes, depends on how much software was deprecated changed or moved around, a lot can happen in a support period. Regardless spinning up a new install in an automated manner should be relatively trivial, and probably something anyone can accomplish for backup purposes.
Krzd@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah and? Debian is free, you can just upgrade to the newer version without paying a thing.
EarMaster@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You can also upgrade from Windows 10 to 11 for free.
jkrtn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
No, actually, extra ads begging me to subscribe to my own computer are a cost.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
would you like to explain to me how i install a tpm 2.0 module into my hardware for free exactly?
JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
I cannot use my win11 laptop because they removed the language bar and switching keyboard layout is impossible. Unfortunately it’s something that I do on the regular since programming in my native layout is really difficult hunting down alt+some numbers for the {} and I need letters with accents like žšć when I write something