Comment on Lemmy.world seems to have banned the largest piracy community on Lemmy.

• ptz@dubvee.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Reddit is a company that has a legal department (e.g. has lawyers on retainer). Lemmy World is run by volunteers and donations.

  What’s the point of Lemmy if Reddit is more free?

  That’s such a broad question that I’m not even going to bother. Instead, I’ll answer with the same question as when “states’ rights” are brought up:

  “Free to do what, exactly?”

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  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When you receive a takedown / DMCA / whatever legal mumbo-jumbo applies to your jurisdiction, you have two choices:

    Comply immediately
    Fight it in court
    

    You actually have a third option: file a DMCA Counternotice. If my reading is correct, the very act of filing the counternotice allows you to keep the content up unless the original filer “insists” (it’s the mechanism against “DMCA trolling”). DMCAis not a jail-free card to erase content from the internet.

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    • ptz@dubvee.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Possibly, but the DMCA is strictly a US thing. The comply or fight are the only two somewhat universal options.

      Other countries have other similar laws, though. LW’s TOS says they’re under legal jurisdiction of Finland, The Netherlands, and Germany. Not sure what their laws are like, but Germany seems pretty strict about it.

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      • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Could be, but still it reeks of overreaction. Without the need of seeing anything else, it’s almost impossible that Germany’s law is that strict that “linking to (discussion of) pirated material” would be off, since if that was the case Google would be making Germany rich with their fines, which doesn’t seem to be the case. It’s even worse when it comes down to saying “discussing or mentioning” internet piracy would be illegal - under the way copyright holders themselves understand it, this would mean mentioning the market of secondhand sales would be illegal in such jurisdictions.

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• imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You seem to be confusing Lemmy.world with Lemmy as a whole. Lemmy is free to be used for anything by anyone.

  Lemmy.world is the largest and most mainstream Lemmy server, so they need to be especially careful about legal issues. If lemmy.world gets taken down due to mirroring content hosted on lemmy.dbzer0.com, the whole network would partially collapse because of how many users and communities are hosted on lemmy.world.

  It’s not even close to worth the risk. This is how federation is supposed to work.

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  • tryptaminev@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Isnt the federations key idea to avoid collapse if any single instance it failing? This sounds like the system has become too centralized around lemmy.world

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    • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s definitely not ideal to be this centralized around lemmy.world. But it’s also nearly impossible to prevent some amount of centralization, especially at our current size. With only 50k active users, we don’t have enough people to sustain activity if things were more spread out.

      It’s still so early. If we get to 500k or 5M users, things will naturally get way more decentralized. A year ago, about 70-80% of the whole network was basically centralized on lemmy.ml. I dont have the exact numbers because I wasn’t here yet, but looking back at the stats there were only a few thousand active users at that time and the vast majority were on lemmy.ml

      Now, only about 40% of the network is on lemmy.world (20k/50k users). I just think there are natural incentives that will continue to push us in the direction of decentralization, but we haven’t quite reached the tipping point where that starts to happen.

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      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If we get to 500k or 5M users, things will naturally get way more decentralized.

        What makes you think that? I abandoned my kbin account because all the content is on lemmy and I don’t feel like waiting 4 hours to get that content on kbin. People will go where the content is.

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      • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Centralization is a product of social behavior. People will gravitate to the place everyone else is. They won’t “decentralize” naturally.

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    • Blaze@dormi.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It definitely has. Hopefully this decision will nudge people into other instances.

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  • Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not from lemmy.world, I’m from sh.itjust.works. We have never banned you at all. And I understand your argument.

      But it’s not our place to decide what the lemmy.world admins do with their server. It also doesn’t affect you personally at all. It’s not like they defederated your server, it only affects their users who were subscribed to that community, and they can always just make an account on another server.

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• bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the dbzer0 piracy community has been around much longer than most of the users here. they spun up when they saw the writing on the wall, and they permit things that would not be permitted on reddit. and, it seems, they permit things that are not permitted on .world.

  but the instance is still there. the community is still there.

  and you can leave .world, join an instance that hasn't banned !piracy, and keep right on going.

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  • NotAtWork@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You don’t even need to leave .world, you can subscribe to communities on other instances.

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• Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Reddit’s piracy community doesn’t discuss the practical stuff like dbzero’s does

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• assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Reddit has corporate lawyers. Lemmy does not.

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• Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You know the meme where Bender goes, “I’ll do my own thing, with Blackjack and hookers!”

  Lemme provides that. Servers are managed by different groups and you can absolutely make your own, with blackjacks and hookers.

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