Comment on Microsoft now permits uninstalling Edge, Bing, and OneDrive to adhere to the EU's Digital Markets Act.

tabular@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• conquer4@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You don’t buy the software. You buy a license to use their software.

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  • asparagapple@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah and with Apple, it feels like we buy a license to use their hardware.

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  • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Right, and the consumer protections and ownership rights for that licence are grossly insufficient compared to what you would get if you bought a physical object.

    We’ve allowed ridiculous compliance requirements and forced updates to become normalized when we never should have, and we’ve accepted the undermining of user authority because we refused to fight for it.

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  • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have no idea why you’re being downvoted because you’re right. You don’t really own hardly any of the software you buy. You don’t buy the software, you buy a license to use it in almost all commercial cases. It would be financial suicide for companies to revoke those licenses in most cases, but it still is what it is.

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    • Dnn@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just because software vendors legally made it that way doesn’t make it right. Also probably the main reason, many people don’t have any qualms pirating.

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      • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Right. This is only “right” because tech corporations were allowed to undermine the meaning of ownership without any attempt to protect customer rights. The concept of “buying a license” is fundamentally contradictory, because without the transfer of ownership, nothing was “bought”. Yet they still present this licensing process as if it was a purchase, which is deceptive.

        Many take it for granted that this is just the nature of digital purchases, but the digital market simply created the opportunity for companies to redefine purchases with less resistance. Now they are trying to do the same with physical objects: physical media, technological devices, vehicles, so forth, trying to establish that people didn’t own what they bought.

        And the basis of all of this is simply that they wrote some text that they said so. Can you imagine if customers tried something like this? They would be laughed out of the room. It’s a sham. The flimsiest possible pretense of legitimacy. Yet it’s treated as valid because they have the lawyers to defend it while the average customer does not, and governments completely neglect their role to advocate in favor of the public.

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      • AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sure, but I’m not making a statement about the ethics of it. I’m just stating that that’s the current reality. That’s how commercial software is sold. I’ll freely agree it’s a bullshit practice and we should actually be able to own things, but that’s a whole different discussion.

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      • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Especially when you’re pirated version generally cannot be made to stop working via vendor rug-pull, and will continue to work in perpetuity at least up until it is no longer compatible with current operating systems.

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  • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A license subject to the law. Which can easily say that “license” is no different from a physical object you buy.

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  • PilferJynx@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s what it’s become. But, hear me out, what if I want the hardware without the software? Tough luck? Both are so tied together that if the company pulls the rug you don’t have reasonable access to the hardware.

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    • irotsoma@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You don’t need Windows to use a computer. There are tons of flavors of Linux among other options. There are plenty of manufacturers who sell Linux boxes and you can always build your own. Microsoft just pays a lot of manufacturers to bundle Windows in the cost, but not all.

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    • sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What are you talking about? Most suppliers allow you to buy the hardware without forcing Windows on you.

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  • TheDrunkard@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I see hive mind stupidity is alive and well as your completely factual statement is downvoted by absolute morons.

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    • cathyk@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m baffled by all the downvoting. It was also my first thought that we rarely own the software we use.

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    • Tja@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Welcome to lemmy. You’ll hate it here.

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      • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Please leave then lol.

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